Mariners Squad - HAL 13 - 2017- 2018

[Capn Gus Bloodbeard]

I don't think I've ever seen the forum this despondent.
I just can't see the light at the end of the tunnel.

Though i don't think we will see Okon next season Nfi who we can get in tight. Issues are far deeper than the coach ..

 

[shipwreck]

Why does it feel like Okon is already gone?

 

[Capn Gus Bloodbeard]

Why does it feel like Okon is already gone?

Yup. His manner has been subdued for weeks. Asking about his fiturr at the club has always resulted in an uncomfortable brush off and with his contract end, if he was going to stay i dont see why they would be hiding that. I think him bring let go is being seriously considered, if not all but decided

 

[Gratis]

Maybe all contract extensions are on hold whilst ownership discussions are had? If any of those rumours are actually true of course

 

[Timmah]

I feel as though the sense of despondency is allowing rumour/speculation to automatically become fact.

 

[pjennings]

Okon's position is complicated.

He lives in Sydney, by all half-joking accounts owning half of Fairfield, with kids in school. Working in Sydney would make life easier for him in that regard. On the flip side he has not achieved anything - though we can all see improvements on previous years - the results actually do not support that position.

If Okon's can get a rock solid commitment about being able to spend the cap and a commitment to a 'mid-level marquee' then his best option is to finish what he started, complete his squad the way he wants it and hopefully achieve something. Going to SFC after Arnie will be a poisoned chalice for whoever takes it to the extent that I hope Sydney go OS for their next manager.

 

[midfielder]

My reading of the Tea Leafs is our crowds like the rest of the league are down... the Drive by match should have been around 14K ... similar SFC ...

With crowds down so is revenue .... and MC has stated he has a limit on what he will put in each year...

Thus our position is in some ways a reflection of the league as a whole ... and with the degree of infighting between the various factions over control of future revenue streams .... then this year we are a victim for want of a better word in a bitter civil war between FFA and the Clubs and other stakeholders...

Yes I can scream loudly a winning team would get a bigger crowd .... but MC to me seems to have a limit on what he is willing or maybe able to put in... and say 20 K short in crowds to date at say $20.00 per person is $ 400, 000.

I still have faith in Okon but he needs at least three more quality players in the side ...

 

[pjennings]

My reading of the Tea Leafs is our crowds like the rest of the league are down... the Drive by match should have been around 14K ... similar SFC ...

With crowds down so is revenue .... and MC has stated he has a limit on what he will put in each year...

Thus our position is in some ways a reflection of the league as a whole ... and with the degree of infighting between the various factions over control of future revenue streams .... then this year we are a victim for want of a better word in a bitter civil war between FFA and the Clubs and other stakeholders...

Yes I can scream loudly a winning team would get a bigger crowd .... but MC to me seems to have a limit on what he is willing or maybe able to put in... and say 20 K short in crowds to date at say $20.00 per person is $ 400, 000.

I still have faith in Okon but he needs at least three more quality players in the side ...

A winning team will only get a bigger crowd if individual game day prices are such that you can attract both local casuals and NSW based teams fans watching their team. These prices now are simply too high but are reflective of the fact that we have to hire the stadium and get no income from game day food and beverage sales. We need management rights of the stadium to control our destiny - until then we are fighting an uphill battle.

 

[Insertnamehere]

A winning team will only get a bigger crowd if individual game day prices are such that you can attract both local casuals and NSW based teams fans watching their team. These prices now are simply too high but are reflective of the fact that we have to hire the stadium and get no income from game day food and beverage sales. We need management rights of the stadium to control our destiny - until then we are fighting an uphill battle.

$37 for a GA ticket on the eastern side. Fkn ridiculous. IMO overs by $7-12.

 

[Capn Gus Bloodbeard]

It's absurd. I think the entire league should aim to keep Ga around $20. Almost $40 is just way too much. Can gey an entire family to the BBL for tgat

 

[Wombat]

$37 for a GA ticket on the eastern side. Fkn ridiculous. IMO overs by $7-12.

Overs by $12 imho.

 

[shipwreck]

Why does Okon get the luxury of needing better players to be a good coach and Walmsley didn't?

Why is Okon exempt from being blamed for finishing second last twice consecutively when he got to spend a decent amount picking four very decent European players, by his own admission, even when Asdrubal was a dud?

 

[Forum Phoenix]

Because under Okon we have the highest pass count in the league. The highest pass accuracy. We are number 5 for clean sheets, and 6 for goals conceded, we've played some great football at times and he's also recruited far far better than Moss or Walmsley. Under whom we saw ZERO positives.

The other key stats also support why we need players... we are stone motherless last in the league for goals, and the same for shots.

We just lost two attackers, who were already not up to par, and do not have funds to secure replacements. And we've been encumbered by multiple attackers who were from past regimes. We've also watched us repeatedly fall apart whenever our depth was tested.

I'm not saying Okon isn't making some mistakes, and he got Adsrubal wrong, but on paper I can see why the hope was there, and it's also very clear this isn't largely on him and that he has a clue. Whereas Moss and TW didn't.

 

[pjennings]

Why does Okon get the luxury of needing better players to be a good coach and Walmsley didn't?

Why is Okon exempt from being blamed for finishing second last twice consecutively when he got to spend a decent amount picking four very decent European players, by his own admission, even when Asdrubal was a dud?

Not commenting on the second last twice - that is a legitimate question. However, Okon has not been able to spend a decent amount - only the cap floor. He has bought better than Francesco Stella, Richard Vernes and Isaka Cernak (reportedly for circa $200,000).

We are no longer conceding 70 goals in a season - but equally we are not scoring at the other end. In the interim the rest of the league has improved. We are a better football team than in the Walmsley era - the results aren't showing it - but Okon has not had any advantage in money to spend - in fact the rules for spending outside the cap have been relaxed.

 

[shipwreck]

Not commenting on the second last twice - that is a legitimate question. However, Okon has not been able to spend a decent amount - only the cap floor. He has bought better than Francesco Stella, Richard Vernes and Isaka Cernak (reportedly for circa $200,000).

We are no longer conceding 70 goals in a season - but equally we are not scoring at the other end. In the interim the rest of the league has improved. We are a better football team than in the Walmsley era - the results aren't showing it - but Okon has not had any advantage in money to spend - in fact the rules for spending outside the cap have been relaxed.

Good point, we're definitely a "better team", for instance I'm sure this year's Mariners would beat last year's.

But it's like Okon looked at the benchmark of last year and used that as his point to improve on, meanwhile everyone else got significantly better anticipating the next level of competition.

I'm being harsh, I know, but I am getting impatient

 

[Scotty]

Daniel Garb from Fox Sports reported on their latest podcast that he was told post match by a Mariners player that they would be in the top six if they had kept the Snake.

I tend to agree, we are simply missing a goal poacher. Okon expected Adsrubal to fill that role, but he didn't deliver.

I also think we aren't pushing the ball around like we were earlier in the season, simply because we've lost confidence in going forward.

If Trent or Skapetis bang in a few goals it may lift the squad. For that to happen we need the Dutch duo playing together too.

 

[Insertnamehere]

Daniel Garb from Fox Sports reported on their latest podcast that he was told post match by a Mariners player that they would be in the top six if they had kept the Snake.

I tend to agree, we are simply missing a goal poacher. Okon expected Adsrubal to fill that role, but he didn't deliver.

I also think we aren't pushing the ball around like we were earlier in the season, simply because we've lost confidence in going forward.

If Trent or Skapetis bang in a few goals it may lift the squad. For that to happen we need the Dutch duo playing together too.

I reckon skapetis, given a good run, will top the snake. But he needs service and that's what would have stopped us being top 6 even with the snake

 

[Insertnamehere]

Supporter's fund for a marquee player?

 

[JoyfulPenguin]

Interesting article:
http://thefootballsack.com.au/2018/02/the-npl-player-your-club-needs.html

 

[JoyfulPenguin]

Wouldn't mind him as backup to Danny...