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Gratis
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Mariners finally have clear direction under Paul Okon
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By Tim Palmer, 17 Oct 2017 Tim Palmer is a Roar Expert
The Central Coast Mariners have a clear identity as a family-friendly community club, but their on-field identity has been less clear in recent years.
While Tony Walmsley pledged an all-out attacking approach, his regime ended in confusion as he made changes to try and protect his side against counter-attacks. That inconsistency also extended to the squad, with an odd mix of raw, inexperienced youngsters, solid if unspectacular squad players and the bizarre addition of Luis Garcia.
The sacking of Walmsley weeks out from the 2016-17 season summed up the mayhem, with Paul Okon left to salvage the mess.
Okon has done an admirable job rebuilding what was, and arguably still is, a weak side. The Mariners simply do not have the same quality across the pitch as a Sydney FC or Melbourne Victory. Their place in the league hierarchy (even with a salary cap) was illustrated by James Troisi’s comments last week: “No disrespect, but I wouldn’t be moving to a Central Coast or a Newcastle or anything like that.”
Instead of Socceroos playmakers, Okon has focused on recruiting talented youngsters such as Daniel de Silva, Andrew Hoole and Tom Glover, mixed with strong foreign pedigree including Wout Brama, Tomi Hiariej and Asdrubal. Overall, the squad feels far more balanced, and most importantly, feels like it suits Okon’s type of football.
We saw significant evidence of how Okon wants his teams to play last season, even if he did not necessarily have the players to suit it. The Mariners dominated possession in nearly all of their matches, focusing upon controlled, purposeful build up from the back to get players free, facing forward and able to play penetrating passes to runs in behind in the final third. It is a similar approach to that of Ange Postecoglou, who unsurprisingly nominated Okon for the role.
“I’ve worked closely with Paulo for the last few years,” the national team coach said at the time of his appointment, “and he can get his team to play in a certain way in really tough international conditions when you only have limited time.
Now, after a full pre-season and the chance to rejuvenate the squad, the identity of Okon’s Mariners is clear. They want to dominate opponents with the ball, using possession as a tool to open up gaps in the opposition defensive structure to play forward into attackers between the lines.
A double No.6 pairing of Dutchmen in central midfield of a 4-2-3-1 formation has been pivotal. Brama and Hiariej understand their roles intuitively, with their primary task being to get free behind the opponent’s pressing line to be able to receive the ball in a position where they ‘break’ that line. To achieve this, they perform ‘rotations’, where they make movements off the ball to manipulate opponents and get into positions where they are free to receive forward passes, or can create space for others to receive.
An example of a rotation is when one of the two No.6s move level and outside of the opposition’s first pressing line. Against Newcastle Jets, for example, Ronald Vargas and Roy O’Donovan formed the first pressing line as a front two, so sometimes Brama or Hiariej dropped outside of them into the position of the fullback (who moves high to push the opposition winger back) so the No.6 could receive a pass to break the line.
Another example is when one of the No.6s drops in between the two centre-backs, in front of the pressing line, with the other No.6 positioned behind the pressing line. When the No.6 that has dropped receives the ball, the other moves on the blindside of the nearest opponent so the player in possession can play a pass that breaks the line and gets the other No.6 on the ball facing forward.
When the No.6 gets on the ball, the Mariners perform a second set of rotations higher up the pitch. The key task here is to create a ‘box midfield’, similar to the shape Postecoglou has created with his controversial 3-2-4-1 formation. In the Mariners’ 4-2-3-1, however, there is only one No.10, De Silva, who will typically move to one side of the pitch. Therefore it is the job of the winger on the opposite side to come inside, becoming a second No.10, and creating the ‘box’ with the two No.6s.
This is important, because the two opponents the Mariners have faced so far have defended with two screening central midfielders. The box creates two forward passing options for the No.6 on the ball to play into, making it more difficult for two defensive midfielders to defend against, especially when compared to one No.10.
It is the same rationale as Postecoglou’s 3-2-4-1 formation. A pitfall for both the Mariners and the Socceroos, however, has been the lack of penetration when the No.6 plays forward into the 10. In this moment, the team should look to play forward in behind the opposition last defensive line (i.e. the back four) with forward runs from the attacking players. The timing of the run and pass is naturally critical – and if it is not possible, both teams will circulate the ball to try and recreate the moment. Long periods of ball circulation, however, makes the system sterile.
Yet when the Mariners constantly get their No.6s and No.10s on the ball between the lines, and combine that with forward runs, they play some of the best football in the league. It is an enterprising, if risky approach – look at the way the Jets were able to counter-attack effectively quickly after winning the ball in that 5-1 defeat – but it is a style of play that suits the development of the young players Okon has available to him. As Ange himself says, “the more teams we have trying to play good positive football will benefit the game.”
The challenge, of course, is to marry those developmental goals with the competitiveness needed to win games. It remains to be seen whether Okon can achieve success in the way that Postecoglou has in the past, but there is no doubt about the new identity of the Central Coast Mariners.
http://www.theroar.com.au/2017/10/17/mariners-finally-have-clear-direction-under-paul-okon/
ColumnistBy Tim Palmer, 17 Oct 2017 Tim Palmer is a Roar Expert
The Central Coast Mariners have a clear identity as a family-friendly community club, but their on-field identity has been less clear in recent years.
While Tony Walmsley pledged an all-out attacking approach, his regime ended in confusion as he made changes to try and protect his side against counter-attacks. That inconsistency also extended to the squad, with an odd mix of raw, inexperienced youngsters, solid if unspectacular squad players and the bizarre addition of Luis Garcia.
The sacking of Walmsley weeks out from the 2016-17 season summed up the mayhem, with Paul Okon left to salvage the mess.
Okon has done an admirable job rebuilding what was, and arguably still is, a weak side. The Mariners simply do not have the same quality across the pitch as a Sydney FC or Melbourne Victory. Their place in the league hierarchy (even with a salary cap) was illustrated by James Troisi’s comments last week: “No disrespect, but I wouldn’t be moving to a Central Coast or a Newcastle or anything like that.”
Instead of Socceroos playmakers, Okon has focused on recruiting talented youngsters such as Daniel de Silva, Andrew Hoole and Tom Glover, mixed with strong foreign pedigree including Wout Brama, Tomi Hiariej and Asdrubal. Overall, the squad feels far more balanced, and most importantly, feels like it suits Okon’s type of football.
We saw significant evidence of how Okon wants his teams to play last season, even if he did not necessarily have the players to suit it. The Mariners dominated possession in nearly all of their matches, focusing upon controlled, purposeful build up from the back to get players free, facing forward and able to play penetrating passes to runs in behind in the final third. It is a similar approach to that of Ange Postecoglou, who unsurprisingly nominated Okon for the role.
“I’ve worked closely with Paulo for the last few years,” the national team coach said at the time of his appointment, “and he can get his team to play in a certain way in really tough international conditions when you only have limited time.
Now, after a full pre-season and the chance to rejuvenate the squad, the identity of Okon’s Mariners is clear. They want to dominate opponents with the ball, using possession as a tool to open up gaps in the opposition defensive structure to play forward into attackers between the lines.
A double No.6 pairing of Dutchmen in central midfield of a 4-2-3-1 formation has been pivotal. Brama and Hiariej understand their roles intuitively, with their primary task being to get free behind the opponent’s pressing line to be able to receive the ball in a position where they ‘break’ that line. To achieve this, they perform ‘rotations’, where they make movements off the ball to manipulate opponents and get into positions where they are free to receive forward passes, or can create space for others to receive.
An example of a rotation is when one of the two No.6s move level and outside of the opposition’s first pressing line. Against Newcastle Jets, for example, Ronald Vargas and Roy O’Donovan formed the first pressing line as a front two, so sometimes Brama or Hiariej dropped outside of them into the position of the fullback (who moves high to push the opposition winger back) so the No.6 could receive a pass to break the line.
Another example is when one of the No.6s drops in between the two centre-backs, in front of the pressing line, with the other No.6 positioned behind the pressing line. When the No.6 that has dropped receives the ball, the other moves on the blindside of the nearest opponent so the player in possession can play a pass that breaks the line and gets the other No.6 on the ball facing forward.
When the No.6 gets on the ball, the Mariners perform a second set of rotations higher up the pitch. The key task here is to create a ‘box midfield’, similar to the shape Postecoglou has created with his controversial 3-2-4-1 formation. In the Mariners’ 4-2-3-1, however, there is only one No.10, De Silva, who will typically move to one side of the pitch. Therefore it is the job of the winger on the opposite side to come inside, becoming a second No.10, and creating the ‘box’ with the two No.6s.
This is important, because the two opponents the Mariners have faced so far have defended with two screening central midfielders. The box creates two forward passing options for the No.6 on the ball to play into, making it more difficult for two defensive midfielders to defend against, especially when compared to one No.10.
It is the same rationale as Postecoglou’s 3-2-4-1 formation. A pitfall for both the Mariners and the Socceroos, however, has been the lack of penetration when the No.6 plays forward into the 10. In this moment, the team should look to play forward in behind the opposition last defensive line (i.e. the back four) with forward runs from the attacking players. The timing of the run and pass is naturally critical – and if it is not possible, both teams will circulate the ball to try and recreate the moment. Long periods of ball circulation, however, makes the system sterile.
Yet when the Mariners constantly get their No.6s and No.10s on the ball between the lines, and combine that with forward runs, they play some of the best football in the league. It is an enterprising, if risky approach – look at the way the Jets were able to counter-attack effectively quickly after winning the ball in that 5-1 defeat – but it is a style of play that suits the development of the young players Okon has available to him. As Ange himself says, “the more teams we have trying to play good positive football will benefit the game.”
The challenge, of course, is to marry those developmental goals with the competitiveness needed to win games. It remains to be seen whether Okon can achieve success in the way that Postecoglou has in the past, but there is no doubt about the new identity of the Central Coast Mariners.
http://www.theroar.com.au/2017/10/17/mariners-finally-have-clear-direction-under-paul-okon/
Gratis
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MARINERS RISING?
By Adrian Deans Oct 17 2017 9:00AM
Okay…I’m putting my neck on the chopping block here. I’m suggesting the Central Coast Mariners – one point out of six so far – can make the top six this season.
Yes, they got smashed in the first round, but that was never a 5 – 1 game. The Mariners completely dominated the first half hour and might have been two or three ahead. If they had have gone two or more up it would have been a totally different game. Even the Jets fans posting on their match thread were incredulous that they’d gone ahead against the run of play – and the score really only blew out late after the Mariners dominated all game statistics – especially possession, shots and corners.
What’s more, the Jets benefited from a very soft penalty that could easily have been waved away and then a sheer piece of arse from Roy O’Donovan where the ball went off both feet to bobble over two defenders into the net. The Jets didn’t really start to play until they went ahead!
Hayden Foxe warned the WSW players and fans pre-game that the Mariners had actually played well the week before, despite the score, so they should not be expecting an easy win against a team who’ve done poorly since Arnie left.
Foxe was right to do so.
The Mariners dominated the game against the Wanderers and should have won. They deservedly went ahead via Asdrubal and should have been two up after Josh Rose’s sublime pass picked out Hoole for a two on one against the goalkeeper. All Hoole had to do was take a touch and he would have had all the time in the world to either pick his spot or square for Asdrubal. Instead he hit the ball first time straight at Janjetovic.
Unforgiveable.
And what happens? The Wanderers go up the other end and get gifted a soft penalty against the run of play – just like the Jets the week before. And Glover nearly saved it (just as he did O’Donovan’s penalty the week before).
The Mariners deservedly went 2 – 1 up in the second half after a superb through ball by Hoole and first touch by De Silva. De Silva had an excellent game (as he did against Newcastle) and may well be the signing of the season. Mariners fans had better enjoy him now because (unfortunately) he’s too good for the A-League and is unlikely to be here next year.
But the Mariners couldn’t hang on.
Despite really bossing the game, they did not have the requisite quality in front of goal, and eventually succumbed to a sucker punch they should have avoided.
Still, the signs are very good for Mariners fans. The team is starting to gel very well and absolutely should have won this game away from home, against a team widely expected to make the top four.
Paul Okon has done a very good job in building a team and system. I quite like the look of Glover, despite a bit of bad luck so far. He will improve as he finds his confidence and improves his relationship with the back four. Golec and Baro look reasonably solid and Rose and Roux have experience and pace. The new Dutch midfield is already clicking and (as I mentioned) De Silva looks brilliant. They have all the pace in the world up front and an experienced Spanish striker. There are goals in that front third so it’s just a matter of improving the defensive resilience and having a bit more luck.
If the Mariners can just stop conceding stupid goals they will start accumulating points and the resulting confidence will take them to yet a higher plane. Mariners fans have every right to start feeling optimistic, and Jets fans even more so given they way they weathered the Mariners storm last week and then took them apart. They should have beaten Perth also.
I expect both Mariners and Jets fans to have a very good year indeed…well, better than last year.
https://www.fourfourtwo.com.au/analysis/mariners-rising-475543
By Adrian Deans Oct 17 2017 9:00AM
Okay…I’m putting my neck on the chopping block here. I’m suggesting the Central Coast Mariners – one point out of six so far – can make the top six this season.
Yes, they got smashed in the first round, but that was never a 5 – 1 game. The Mariners completely dominated the first half hour and might have been two or three ahead. If they had have gone two or more up it would have been a totally different game. Even the Jets fans posting on their match thread were incredulous that they’d gone ahead against the run of play – and the score really only blew out late after the Mariners dominated all game statistics – especially possession, shots and corners.
What’s more, the Jets benefited from a very soft penalty that could easily have been waved away and then a sheer piece of arse from Roy O’Donovan where the ball went off both feet to bobble over two defenders into the net. The Jets didn’t really start to play until they went ahead!
Hayden Foxe warned the WSW players and fans pre-game that the Mariners had actually played well the week before, despite the score, so they should not be expecting an easy win against a team who’ve done poorly since Arnie left.
Foxe was right to do so.
The Mariners dominated the game against the Wanderers and should have won. They deservedly went ahead via Asdrubal and should have been two up after Josh Rose’s sublime pass picked out Hoole for a two on one against the goalkeeper. All Hoole had to do was take a touch and he would have had all the time in the world to either pick his spot or square for Asdrubal. Instead he hit the ball first time straight at Janjetovic.
Unforgiveable.
And what happens? The Wanderers go up the other end and get gifted a soft penalty against the run of play – just like the Jets the week before. And Glover nearly saved it (just as he did O’Donovan’s penalty the week before).
The Mariners deservedly went 2 – 1 up in the second half after a superb through ball by Hoole and first touch by De Silva. De Silva had an excellent game (as he did against Newcastle) and may well be the signing of the season. Mariners fans had better enjoy him now because (unfortunately) he’s too good for the A-League and is unlikely to be here next year.
But the Mariners couldn’t hang on.
Despite really bossing the game, they did not have the requisite quality in front of goal, and eventually succumbed to a sucker punch they should have avoided.
Still, the signs are very good for Mariners fans. The team is starting to gel very well and absolutely should have won this game away from home, against a team widely expected to make the top four.
Paul Okon has done a very good job in building a team and system. I quite like the look of Glover, despite a bit of bad luck so far. He will improve as he finds his confidence and improves his relationship with the back four. Golec and Baro look reasonably solid and Rose and Roux have experience and pace. The new Dutch midfield is already clicking and (as I mentioned) De Silva looks brilliant. They have all the pace in the world up front and an experienced Spanish striker. There are goals in that front third so it’s just a matter of improving the defensive resilience and having a bit more luck.
If the Mariners can just stop conceding stupid goals they will start accumulating points and the resulting confidence will take them to yet a higher plane. Mariners fans have every right to start feeling optimistic, and Jets fans even more so given they way they weathered the Mariners storm last week and then took them apart. They should have beaten Perth also.
I expect both Mariners and Jets fans to have a very good year indeed…well, better than last year.
https://www.fourfourtwo.com.au/analysis/mariners-rising-475543
Pirate Pete
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Pain, not Hoole missed the sitter
scottmac
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The one he shanked and it just floated into the goal. Not the header not the pen.
Tough to call that a shank, no keeper so he chipped it up high and away from the defender. Thought it was patient play and well placed. It's what D'agostino should have done to Izzo twice last week and as a result Izzo makes the team of the week, go figure.
shipwreck
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I agree, I dont think it was his intention to chip the keeper at all, he was concentrating on striking it with his left foot, got off balance and shanked into his right foot which caused it to bobble upward, absolute luck.
tsd
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#shanksnake
Wombat
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VicMariner
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You mean to say that the sauce bottles aren't real? Well thanks for ruining Christmas ya bastard!
Gratis
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no no the sauce bottles are definitely real - just that one that day it happened to be the bbq sauce bottle's helper. bbq sauce can't be everywhere at once so occasionally you'll see a helper sauce bottle with kids on it's knee at shopping centres. but yes the sauce bottles are very much real
JoyfulPenguin
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FourFourTwo's global site now reporting on our Sauce bottle's Yellow card:
https://www.fourfourtwo.com/my/feat...ter-flipping-bird-central-coast-mariners-game
A football comedy site reporting on it also:
http://www.whoateallthepies.tv/vide...dle-finger-salute-to-opposing-fans-video.html
https://www.fourfourtwo.com/my/feat...ter-flipping-bird-central-coast-mariners-game
A football comedy site reporting on it also:
http://www.whoateallthepies.tv/vide...dle-finger-salute-to-opposing-fans-video.html
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