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Capn Gus Bloodbeard

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Monty will be a disaster. You can't put a rookie coach in this position. Monty has zero runs on the board, not even NPL. You can't learn your trade under this horseshit.
Agree. No offence to Monty, but our dark years have had too many coaches who lack A-League experience.

Though if it comes down to a choice between somebody like Monty and Cahn, or Rudan.....well shit, let's promote somebody.
 

Ozhammer

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Monty will be a disaster. You can't put a rookie coach in this position. Monty has zero runs on the board, not even NPL. You can't learn your trade under this horseshit.
Not sure I agree with this viewpoint tbh, Monty has already shown what he can do with limited resources in the academy space, so whilst his senior coaching experience might be limited that’s not the be all and end all of it.

He is also one of only two people currently in Australia that holds a UEFA Pro Licence, the other person being Paddy Kisnorbo, who has done pretty well this season despite also having limited senior coaching experience.

Monty also has years of experience playing at the highest professional level overseas and therefore knows what is required to achieve high levels of success.

On top of all that, he is one of our own, knows the club culture, lives on the Coast and has the necessary contacts to bring the sorts of players we need to the club, so overall, I think he would be a very shrewd appointment by the club.
 

scottmac

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Not sure I agree with this viewpoint tbh, Monty has already shown what he can do with limited resources in the academy space, so whilst his senior coaching experience might be limited that’s not the be all and end all of it.

He is also one of only two people currently in Australia that holds a UEFA Pro Licence, the other person being Paddy Kisnorbo, who has done pretty well this season despite also having limited senior coaching experience.

Monty also has years of experience playing at the highest professional level overseas and therefore knows what is required to achieve high levels of success.

On top of all that, he is one of our own, knows the club culture, lives on the Coast and has the necessary contacts to bring the sorts of players we need to the club, so overall, I think he would be a very shrewd appointment by the club.
Limited resources in the academy space means bugger all, experience playing does not make a coach, and comparing Kisnorbos success with the richest club in the league to what Monty might deliver in the poorest is laughable.
 

scottmac

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Agree. No offence to Monty, but our dark years have had too many coaches who lack A-League experience.

Though if it comes down to a choice between somebody like Monty and Cahn, or Rudan.....well shit, let's promote somebody.
I'll take Cahn thanks, if I had a choice. Otherwise it's another world wide search.......
 

pjennings

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Already renewed. I follow my local Football team in the national competition. I don't follow Alen Stajcic or Ollie or any of the players (except as a passing interest) unless they are playing in my local Football team in the national competition.

Similarly, the owner of the club is immaterial as to whether I support my team. The club is the fans and the community. Owners, managers and players will come and go. Whilever we have a club on the Coast they will have my support.
 

priorpeter

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Already renewed. I follow my local Football team in the national competition. I don't follow Alen Stajcic or Ollie or any of the players (except as a passing interest) unless they are playing in my local Football team in the national competition.

Similarly, the owner of the club is immaterial as to whether I support my team. The club is the fans and the community. Owners, managers and players will come and go. Whilever we have a club on the Coast they will have my support.

Hit the nail on the head harder next time why don’t you
 

Forum Phoenix

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Already renewed. I follow my local Football team in the national competition. I don't follow Alen Stajcic or Ollie or any of the players (except as a passing interest) unless they are playing in my local Football team in the national competition.

Similarly, the owner of the club is immaterial as to whether I support my team. The club is the fans and the community. Owners, managers and players will come and go. Whilever we have a club on the Coast they will have my support.
Bingo PJ. Well said,
 

true believer

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Limited resources in the academy space means bugger all, experience playing does not make a coach, and comparing Kisnorbos success with the richest club in the league to what Monty might deliver in the poorest is laughable.
absolutely sydney was shite and went out and spent another 2 million on players .
all it means is corica is better than carl robinson
 

Forum Phoenix

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Mmm, I lean the other way on Monty. For the considerable future we’re going to be a composite of a few senior players and a lot of youth.

I think his playing experience in elite football coupled with his time connection to our club make him a very good candidate to be able to deal with senior players in the dressing room. His success with the academy and the status he has from his career make him a good choice for working with young players. Add his residency/commitment to the coast, coaching badges and familiarity with our limitations, and he’s a choice that we could do a lot, lot worse than imo.

And if he worked out... Unlike others, he’d more likely be able to bring us some long term stability than most other coaches... who will dump us if they’re terrible and blame our lack of resources.., or dump us to take a step up the ladder if they do well, and again blame our lack of resources.

I could see Monty managing us longer term if things went well, and I think that stability would be ideal for us.
 
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Big Dog

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Mmm, I lean the other way on Monty. For the considerable future we’re going to be a composite of a few senior players and a lot of youth.

I think his playing experience in elite football coupled with his time connection to our club make him a very good candidate to be able to deal with senior players in the dressing room. His success with the academy and the status he has from his career make him a good choice for working with young players. Add his residency/commitment to the coast, coaching badges and familiarity with our limitations, and he’s a choice that we could do a lot, lot worse than imo.

And if he worked out... Unlike others, he’d more likely be able to bring us some long term stability than most other coaches... who will dump us if they’re terrible and blame our lack of resources.., or dump us to take a step up the ladder if they do well, and again blame our lack of resources.

I could see Monty managing us longer term if things went well, and I think that stability would be ideal for us.
Good points. Contingent upon the owner and fans having the patience to let him learn
 

pjennings

Well-Known Member
Scott is being absolutely sensible. Monty or Ben Cahn IS scary BUT our owner is a complete f**kwit so what are we to do?
Let's take the owner out of the equation. What past or present manager would you consider to be what we want.

We've all heard the Rudan, Aloisi talk. But looking back at A-League level managers I can't see any that would do the job that Stajcic just did with the resources he had with the exception of Arnie.

Ange and Arnie were great A-League managers. Arnie at CCM did the job with not much money (though apparently more than we could afford). At SFC he continued with much more resources. Popovic, Corica and Merrick and Muscat have done well with plenty of money behind them.

I find it hard to identify a manager that has been there and done that in the A-League that would
(a) take the job
(b) who we would want to take the job
even ignoring the scant resources we have. Once you get to that stage looking at Ben Cahn or Monty doesn't seem that scary.

Let's face it - not everyone has agreed with all of our Managers appointments. Lawrie as inaugural manager and front man gets a pass. Arnie, our most successful manager was death- ridden to start with by more than a few. see https://www.ccmfans.net/community/threads/the-graham-arnold-thread.3501/

We'll get a manager that will want to make a success of their tenure for their own sake. I think with Cahn and Monty you can add they would have added affinity to the club on top of their own need to succeed.
 

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