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Mariners Squad - HAL 14 - 2018- 2019 - The challenge for Mike Mulvey is over

Coastalraider

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Do you everything for your client to an extent. Matt Millar is his client and he pushed hard to move him to the scummers because he gets a cut of the new deal. Stay with CCM and he gets nothing.
Yes but if we take off the yellow glasses for a moment - given the Jets have a solid and stable coach, and made the GF last year - and we haven’t made finals for 5 years, he is arguably doing what’s best for both him AND his client.
 

turbo

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Yes but if we take off the yellow glasses for a moment - given the Jets have a solid and stable coach, and made the GF last year - and we haven’t made finals for 5 years, he is arguably doing what’s best for both him AND his client.

Not pushing the club for a counter offer can’t be doing what’s best for his client. There’s no loss in getting that offer and could bargain against the jets or other parties further.
 

Antlion

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Not pushing the club for a counter offer can’t be doing what’s best for his client. There’s no loss in getting that offer and could bargain against the jets or other parties further.
I agree. Rallis moved Millar for personal gain. The further implication here is that the Jets knew exactly what they were doing too
 
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turbo

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I agree. Rallis moved Millar for personal gain. The further implication here is that the Jets knew exactly what they were doing too

I don’t think it’s that black and white, there were some very valid reasons for wanting the move but I don’t see how things went down giving the best possible outcome for Matt which should be his priority.
Can’t expect more from the Jets. They did the minimum they needed to and didn’t have their player unnecessarily bid up - that’s the agents job not theirs.
The interesting bit will be if any more of his clients sign with the jets for next year.
 
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Big Al

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The other side of it is he just took what a weak management structure was offering and a coach who was out of touch and desperate.

Everything he wanted for him and his clients.

He also took advantage of an owner looking for a quick publicity grab. He gave him bolt. Enough said

Is that really the agents fault if the club doesn’t say no. If anything give us more was probably the angle

Got what we deserved.

Pretty shore an agent would get paid on a renewal of a contract as well. It’s percentages of deals that they get paid so it’s not all about moving them. That was a weak point to the article

Also if the player signs for three years. It would in theory be a bigger contract of which he gets his percentage of. So no reason just to do one year deals
 
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BrisRecky

I'm an idiot savant without the pesky savant bit
f**k me ,they keep f**king Hoole, Kennedy Nash and Pearce BUT punt Josh from the Gong...my theory of blackmail gets stronger by the s3cond
 

Michael

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Pretty annoyed Macdonald has left.
Going to Sydney United.
He’s a good player, basically not given any kind of chance to show he’s an aleague player. He has all the attacking attributes to be as well. Millar has very basic technical ability just purely a powerful knock and go runner. MacDonald has superior dribbling, passing and shooting. But didn’t deserve a go apparently.

Proving Mulveys plan of a large squad was a waste of time and money.
 

Forum Phoenix

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The other side of it is he just took what a weak management structure was offering and a coach who was out of touch and desperate.

Everything he wanted for him and his clients.

He also took advantage of an owner looking for a quick publicity grab. He gave him bolt. Enough said

Is that really the agents fault if the club doesn’t say no. If anything give us more was probably the angle

Got what we deserved.

Pretty shore an agent would get paid on a renewal of a contract as well. It’s percentages of deals that they get paid so it’s not all about moving them. That was a weak point to the article

Also if the player signs for three years. It would in theory be a bigger contract of which he gets his percentage of. So no reason just to do one year deals

Self interest is not likeable but expected and we put a lot of blood into the water.
But I will never like the: something is weak we can exploit it ethos. And in such a small pond, it’s very short sighted.

Putting the brokering stuff aside which cannot be tolerated, Rallis can argue he’s just looking after his existing client, and would. But at what cost?

In a country with 9 professional teams he’s just cost every young player (and out of form and injured seniors :rolleyes:) on his books the opportunity to sign with one of those nine clubs. And we’re also historically the team that is forced to take more chances and pick up players that other clubs are not interested in signing.

So for whatever he gained in this instance,
by losing the mariners from his options, there’s no arguing that for a percentage of the players he represents, he has lost them potential work, and for others may well have scuppered their chance to even become professional footballers.

I’m sure he’s sharp as a tack and works very hard like he claims. But he’s clearly also greedy and arrogant. Blight on the game imo.
 

Antlion

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Rallis is getting a cut of any future sales profit the Jets make on Millar.
Don't get me wrong it's not illegal - but the Jets knew what to do to get Millar without having to bid against us for him, and Rallis cut us out for his own personal gain.

Pretty black and white to me.
 

Josho Howe

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Too often player agents get let off the hook with things like this. Mostly because they are so far in the background they can't be seen. But this Rallis bloke sounds like a POS and i'm glad he's getting dragged into the limelight
 

Big Al

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Self interest is not likeable but expected and we put a lot of blood into the water.
But I will never like the: something is weak we can exploit it ethos. And in such a small pond, it’s very short sighted.

Putting the brokering stuff aside which cannot be tolerated, Rallis can argue he’s just looking after his existing client, and would. But at what cost?

In a country with 9 professional teams he’s just cost every young player (and out of form and injured seniors :rolleyes:) on his books the opportunity to sign with one of those nine clubs. And we’re also historically the team that is forced to take more chances and pick up players that other clubs are not interested in signing.

So for whatever he gained in this instance,
by losing the mariners from his options, there’s no arguing that for a percentage of the players he represents, he has lost them potential work, and for others may well have scuppered their chance to even become professional footballers.

I’m sure he’s sharp as a tack and works very hard like he claims. But he’s clearly also greedy and arrogant. Blight on the game imo.
Also works in reverse there are only limited amount of players quality enough to play for the 10 teams. If he has enough clients we will have to work with him no matter what it’s just about being smarter and getting deals that suits the club as well.

We should never have asked an agent to help us out. That’s like asking an alcoholic to hold your beer
 

Forum Phoenix

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Also works in reverse there are only limited amount of players quality enough to play for the 10 teams. If he has enough clients we will have to work with him no matter what it’s just about being smarter and getting deals that suits the club as well.

We should never have asked an agent to help us out. That’s like asking an alcoholic to hold your beer

Yeah it hurts us also. Bad for all parties in the long run and that’s why it’s so short sighted. Agree it’s another management mistake/lesson learned the hard way. But this is also agents grossly extending their power and they need to be checked. They are and always will be middle men and their industry subsists off clubs not the other way round.
 

Coastalraider

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Not pushing the club for a counter offer can’t be doing what’s best for his client. There’s no loss in getting that offer and could bargain against the jets or other parties further.
That’s only if you are looking at a purely financial outcome - Millar might have said he wants to win games, and if Rallis could find $xxxx from a club in a more competitive position, he would take it, regardless of counter offer.
 

turbo

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That’s only if you are looking at a purely financial outcome - Millar might have said he wants to win games, and if Rallis could find $xxxx from a club in a more competitive position, he would take it, regardless of counter offer.

I'm not looking at purely financial outcomes, simply that having a counter offer gives you more options. Maybe he can squeeze a bit more out of the jets with an offer in hand, maybe he can't but at least you'd know. I definitely acknowledge the footballing reasons - although hes moving to the jets not Sydney or Victory so there's no guarantees of performance anyway.
 

go you yellow

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I agree. Rallis moved Millar for personal gain. The further implication here is that the Jets knew exactly what they were doing too
Im disappointed but why all the outrage - not sure if any player's value was increasing other than Miller's at that point of the season. wanted to be developed - makes sense. we don't have a track record of being competitive, ie Wales and other younger players. I get the move.
 

Antlion

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Im disappointed but why all the outrage - not sure if any player's value was increasing other than Miller's at that point of the season. wanted to be developed - makes sense. we don't have a track record of being competitive, ie Wales and other younger players. I get the move.
I get the move too - and even if Millar took a lower Jets offer, because, well, who wants to be here right now.

Doesn't take away from the fact that Rallis is manipulating and should be treated as a necessary viper rather than a business partner
 

pjennings

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Look at this list

Jack Clisby,
Fabio Ferreira, Corey Gameiro, Jai Ingham,Matt Millar, Tass Mourdoukoutas, Andrew Nabbout, Mitchell Oxborrow, Matthew Ridenton,
Storm Roux, Trent Sainsbury, Mario Shabow, Matt Simon

They are all clients of Rallis, have all played for, are playing for or have been linked to CCM.
 

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