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R2: Mariners V Nix

Capt. Awesome

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Mossy needs to wake up and quickly. His subs made me wonder if he knows what he is doing.

I though the subs were OK. Monty was having a pretty off night with his passing and I think Caceres made a bigger difference going forward. Fitzy came very close to scoring and Tricky added a bit more muscle and creativity in attack.

We were behind at that point and need a lift and I think they all helped us go to another level and created a very exciting last 20mins.
 

Wombat

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Well we have played the worse two sides in the comp and I'm filled with fear that we will get smashed when we play someone decent.

The first 15 we were good. The next 60 we were pathetic. The last 15 when desperate we were quite good.

Again Mossy sent out a strange and less than exciting side, but we played well for the first 15 minutes and I actually was impressed and thought we would kick on.
Then we decided that zero effort would be enough....it wasn't.

Reddy 7. Furious at his defence on both goals as was I.
Roux 7. Best of the back 4.
Bosnar 6. On the wrong side for the 2nd goal. One great block.
Pasco 5.5. Bad penalty mistake. Why did he start in front of Chesty who was in good form??
Rose 5. Sloppy.
Sim 6. He IS NOT starting 11 quality. Has more guts that most of his team mates but poor touch. Tries hard.
Hutcho 5.5. Started well when we dominated but dissolved when we had to really compete.
Monty 7. Our only decent middy today. Mossy looked like a goose when he subbed him off.
Kim 5.5. A couple of decent moments but Trifero is the better option.
Duke 7. That was a stinging shot! Tried hard all day. Probably MOM. The most disturbing moment of the game and the reason we will struggle all year was....duke burst into the clear and looked up to square the ball....the only player in the attacking half was Mane, but he had 6 nix players between him a Duke. Not one other Mariners player made any attempt to support the attack. Unforgivable.
Mane 6. Mixed game.

In summary we were shite. Nix pressured us when we had the ball. We just watched when they had it.
 

Wombat

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I though the subs were OK. Monty was having a pretty off night with his passing and I think Caceres made a bigger difference going forward. Fitzy came very close to scoring and Tricky added a bit more muscle and creativity in attack.

We were behind at that point and need a lift and I think they all helped us go to another level and created a very exciting last 20mins.

The obvious sub was Hutch not Monty when we are chasing a game.
Fitzy should have come on for Sim not Mane.
Tricky should have started in front of Kim.
 

Stoxxo

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The obvious sub was Hutch not Monty when we are chasing a game.
Fitzy should have come on for Sim not Mane.
Tricky should have started in front of Kim.

Totally agree with you on the Hutch Monty sub, Hutch can control the tempo of the game well but when we are chasing a game and he holds with the ball for 5 secs and has missed an easy forward pass and goes back to Bosnar or Reddy really does shit me a bit.
Fitzy on for Sim hmmmm not so sure, the last 20 Sim along with Trifiro seemed the only 2 finding any space.
100% agree with Trifiro starting ahead of Kim

Kim has quality touches here and there and a decent corner but we loose more than we gain by starting him ahead of Trifiro.
Rose and Roux well below par, plenty of times on the counter Rosey and Roux both guilty of not making a run down the flank.
Feel for the young CB Poscoliero, in hindsight a poor decision by Mossy.

Mane very average, needs to look up and take the options available.
Duke is a workhorse with the first touch of one aswell, frustrating!
 

pjennings

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Jus a few random thoughts - I don't want to think of the game too much.

I was happy to see Poscoliero given the chance. He looks way more comfortable on the ball than Zac. It was a very clumsy tackle for the penalty though. That said after the ball hit the bar where were the Mariners, Three Nix players were the closest to the ball. I would have started with Fitz over Sim and Tricky over Kim. The other one for me was Hutch. Caceres I thought was odds on to start with Hutch now having played 3 games in 8 days.

Mane I thought was average today but we kept going to him when he had 3 or 4 people around him. surely that is the time to exploit the space elsewhere.
 

midfielder

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I watched this year WSW, SFC, MV, AU, PG, Roar & Jerks... gotta say for the first time in a long time me thinks we are in for a tough long season..

Only positive for me was Poscoliero ...

My biggest concern was the lack of movement off the ball...
 

Forum Phoenix

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Very odd how differently some people can se the game.
Clearly played well for 25 - went to a deep lazy sleep - then woke back up after we went 2-1 down and Kim went off.

Williams is still a total numpty. If not a cheating swine. Allowed Nix to play tiypical Merrick spoiler football whenever they didn't have the ball.

FU Weejudas. Cost us any points.

Monty - poor first 35. Anonymous. Then much better second half until subbed. I'm over having two DM's - when neither can create moving forward. 6
Duke - great game. I think our best 11 would be better served by Arnies old narrow diamond 442 and getting Duke into what I agree with others is clearly his better position. 8
Sim - my MOM. Some poor touches/ choices early. But barnstormed home. Has proved to me wrong that Fitzy should have his spot. Ludicrous that he practically put his hand up as the best option as a 10 that we currently have. 8.5
Kim - is adding very little. Couple of good passes and touches is not enough return. Sim, Trifiro Fitz and Caceres all look to deserve to be starting over him. Waste of cap. Would be happy for him to be moved on.
Very least he should not be starting - especuially against bloody Welly when teh Jest just proved how easy he is to niggle out of a game. 5
Mane - Some good moments - some poor - but he struggled under the ministrations of two very good and solid CB's in Durante and Sigmund. Seemed so clear that Mossy needed to get him to drift to the other flank. He's very strong, but so is Sigmund and he owned him for 8 out if 10 exchanges. 5.5
New kid - not a great day - prefer him taking the ball forward to Ando - but that isn't high praise. Stupid tackle - but we deserved it giving the ball away cheaply again - f**king perfect ball by judasmac. 5
Reddy - loved the "shirt front". Got up too slowly form the crossbar hit on the pen. Could off saved teh second if he'd been on his feet quicker. He knew it too and was pissed at himself. Which I liked. Otherwise solid. 7
Roux - Started to improve later on, but I thought he had a poor game. His positioning, timing of runs and confidence seemed lacking to me. Have seen him play much better. 5
Hutch - Thought he had an excellent first 45 but a much quieter second - which didn't surprise me - surely too much football in too little time? Seemed like this game would have been a very logical Caceres start? 6.5
Fitz - boy... this is the best problem we have. He should be starting. But now I'm convinced so should Sim...
Great impact. Great spirit. 7
Rosey - Was involved and made some good contributions - but a lot if unforced errors too. 6
Trifiro - solid composed impact sub. 6
Caceres, a non composed impact sub. But has great feet and can interplay with others much better than Hutch or Monty can. 5.5
Boz - thought he had a good game bar one lapse - which he was not alone in guilt for - and was my pick of the back four. 7

Mossy...
Thought Kim starting after last week was a bizarre choice.
Thought new kid at the block against an always physical Welly was an odd choice.
Thought Hutch backing up was an unwise choice and he should have been subbed early.
Our link play still needs considerable work - it's clearly better with Trifiro and caceres on.
Thought he had to surely see that matching mane up against Sigmund wasn't working, and he should have known that a lone striker against Welly rarely gets any traction. Between Sigmund, Durante and Muscat, they get monstered.
Failure to shift from the 4231 come 433, into a more concerted attack and some pressing higher up the park when it was clearly going to be required after 60 mins and we were a goal down. Pity we saved it for the last 10 mins odd.
Failure to get the players to execute the right tactics against Welly's physical pressing.
Good early sub at 53 - but would have liked to have seen Duke and Mane up front together running at defenders, with Fitz right, Sim left, Trif and Caceres behind, Monty anchoring...
4

Oh and we could really do with another striker on the bench couldn't we?

I like our team. And I still like Moss. But I think on balance this will be our most hard fought season in a while. That is the best Jest and Nix sides I've seen for a few years... and most other teams look stronger than they do.
 

shipwreck

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Wow, so for a lot of people so far, the only positive has been the guy who gave away the penalty? looking grim Moss.... looking grim
 

Roy Law

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Mariners Burn(s)ed by the Nix
For thirty minutes, resplendent in pink, the Mariners dominated this game, their flowing football as bright as the shirts they wore. Moss had ignored the midweek claims of Trifiro and Caceres, recalling Montgomery and Kim, but caused a surprise by promoting recent signing Jacob Poscoliero to the starting line up instead of Zac Anderson, who was on the bench.
Poor Jacob Poscoliero! He will remember his A League debut for a long time. Thirty three minutes gone and Jeremy Brockie escapes and Poscoliero clumsily brings him down for a stone cold penalty. Except I don ‘t think it should not have been a penalty, it should have been offside. Poscoliero deliberately allowed Brockie to get a shoulder to breach the offside line but as the ball came through the lino didn’t make the call and Poscoliero was left adrift. He got a yellow card for his trouble. It seemed only justice when Brockie missed, slamming the ball against the bar, but the Mariners defending was poor, ball watching instead of moving, and little Michael McGlinchey got enough on the header for the ball to sneak home past Reddy’s full length dive. His celebration was respectfully modest.
It was a goal quite against the flow of play. Apart from an early chance for Brockie to chip the ball over Reddy the Phoenix had been outplayed. The Mariners football had been delightful; they dominated possession, moving the ball comfortably and accurately, rolling the ball all over the park with real style. The opening goal was certainly fortunate but no more than they deserved. Sim played a one two with Kim but the return pass was a touch too long, the chance seemed lost. Full back Thomas Doyle fell victim to the modern mantra of tippy tappy football; where an old fashioned defender would have got rid, would have simply hacked the ball away, Doyle, a modern metrosexual looking gentleman, decided to play the ball out and only succeeded in gently passing the ball into his own net.
The Mariners cranked it up, the defence was as tight packed as the mangroves on the fringes of Brisbane Water, the midfield, led by Montgomery, first to the ball, and it seemed just a matter of time for a second goal. Duke came close with a ferocious shot from the right wing, cutting inside to unleash with his left; it was a wonderful effort but Moss’s flying save was equal to it. From the resulting corner Durante clearly handled; the defender ruefully smiled as the officials missed the offence.
And then came the Wellington equaliser and the air suddenly went out of the Mariners’ sauce bottle. Wellington now took over the game, and looked the better side and the Mariners didn’t get back into it until the last fifteen minutes. Durante led the defence with real authority, Manny Muscat had Malick Mané firmly in his pocket, McGlinchey inspired the mobile midfield and Nathan Burns was hot to handle.
The winning goal owed everything to the football of yesteryear; an old fashioned move, as old as football itself. A cross, perfectly measured by Doyle, to Brockie at the far post, his knockdown delightedly forced home by Burns. An unprintable expletive from the Mariners’ bench came across the airwaves.
Trifiro replaced the invisible Kim. Sim ploughed forward and forced a full length save from Moss, erroneously given as a goal kick. Caceres replaced Montgomery. Mane finally got free from his gaoler and caused problems for Wellington but could not get the final touch. Fitzgerald replaced Mané and the Mariners rallied to try to save the game.
There is a weakness to Fitzgerald’s game: finishing. A promising footballer with energy, pace and skill he regularly lets himself down by missing good scoring opportunities. He did it again today. A great passing move from the Mariners, a perfect cross from Josh Rose; a wonderful chance to grab the equaliser, but he headed against the post. He will relive that chance all week.
Trifiro, busy as is his way, cleverly played Duke in for another chance but Moss got his fingers to it and turned it wide. The Mariners were now back in control and seemed sure to equalise as they pressed the Kiwis back but, despite much huff and puff, in particular from Sim, the Phoenix held on for a notable victory.
The result was a big disappointment, a real let down after the midweek 5-0 win in the FFA Cup, but the positive to take out of the game is that if the Mariners can reproduce the same quality of football for a full game as they showed in the first half hour they will be a force to be reckoned with. It is early days yet; this was a real improvement on last weekend’s display.
Poscoliero was no better, no worse, than Anderson, perhaps more comfortable on the ball. Caceres was a disappointing replacement for the equally poor Kim. Duke was willing and unlucky not to score, as was Matt Sim. Rose put in a solid shift but Roux struggled to make any impact. Mane was brought firmly back to Earth by the canny Muscat; my MoM was the hard working intelligent Nick Montgomery.
 

Bladesman

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Lots for Mossy to consider out of that game including a lot to look at himself for as his tactics and team selections are causing a lot of the problems. I think it is going to be a very long season for us.

I don't get overly excited about the football we played for 25 mins in the 1st half when it is against the nix in on quite a hot afternoon.

Some of the things to consider -

We need a left back as Rose's defending has continued to get even worse than last year and he has lost his impact going forward which used to cover.

Sim is a hard working park footballer, not an a-league starter

No point using Kim in the system and style of football Mossy has us playing. He is a player who can open up a game by playing in people as they come forward form midfield or the wings, with Hutch and Monty and the lack of go forward on the flanks he will add nothing apart from being a dead ball specialist.

We have to end the Monty/hutch midfield well past its use by date and Mossy needs to make the big call and use hutch off the bench. It has to be Caceras or tricky who is next to Monty.

Duke has to go to 9

We need to be able to make changes earlier, all 3 subs should have been made at least at the same time as the 1st and even that should have been a little earlier.
 

Gratis

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overall - a disappointing performance. good reasons to be positive though.

in parts - a dominant and quality performance.

as usual - a slow start out of the blocks for the season.

game summary - the game plan was working well then we stopped pressing when the first goal went in and became ineffectual. didn't turn it back on until after WPs second goal.

prognosis - if we're building into the season to play like we did in our strong patches for a full 95mins, and on evidence I believe we are, then we are in for a pretty good season.
I saw progression this game and glimpses of what we are about this season and think that once we get there we'll be a force.

going forward - starting lineup definitely needs some tweaks. it's clear Mossy knows this.
Tricky to start in place of Kim with Kim on the bench - I believe Kim could be a good sub if he comes on late.
Fitz to start over Sim, generally speaking and depending on how many games we've been playing. I am a big fan of Sim though.
the Caceres/Hutch/Monty thing is hard. should be opposition dependent.
will factor in Vernes if and when he hits his straps.
(personally I'm liking the look of a 4132 in attack for the players we have and the usual 442 in defence but don't think we'll be going there, don't actually know if that would work).

overall summary - signs are we're getting there but need some adjustments, more gelling and the need for consistency over a whole game. I see this happening and a good season coming
 

justafan

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We played for 30 minutes, turned off for 40 minutes then played again for 20 minutes.
My match ratings for the team:
Josh Rose - 3;
Poor touches constantly, and gave ball away fair too easily. Just didn't seem himself tonight.
Eddy Bosnar - 5;
Decent, but he slows the play down too much when we have momentum.
Storm Roux - 4;
Bad, bad, bad performance. Even when we we're controlling the game early, he was the one giving the ball up. Was just out played on the wing.
Jacob Poscoliero - 4;
He's young and it's his first start. That's about the only thing I can give him.
Kim Seung-Young - 5;
Was completely ineffective. Gave ball away very easily.
Nick Montgomery - 5;
Was decent in defence, poor in transition to attack. Did put his body on the line multiple times.
John Hutchinson - 6;
Again, very decent in defence, can't pick a forward pass. Slows game down too much.
Matty Sim - 8;
Worked hard, had a lot of good opportunities. Just couldn't score us 4 goals again. Was all over the field, from wing to wing and was always in the middle when others should be as well.
Mitch Duke - 8;
Can't fault his work ethic, should have started in front of Mane at front. Mane should come on off the bench.
Malick Mane - 3;
Keeps going for glory when there are far better options. He did well holding the ball up in the first 30 minutes. How ever his short passes were far far far too short for the rest of the game. Doesn't put in any where near as much work as Duke.
Nick Fitzgerald - 6;
Was part of the three subs who changed the game for the last 20 minutes. Did well, almost scored. Should have come on earlier for Mane.
Glen Triffiro - 8;
Picked excellent passes, put his body on the line multiple times and made almost all his passes, which were mostly forward.
Anthony Caceres - 0;
Poor, came on, gave away three balls with first three touches. Never found his feet in the game, never picked a decent forward pass. Just poor.
Liam Reddy - 5;
Wasn't good or bad, wasn't at fault for goals, but didn't make any amazing saves. Did make an awesome shoulder charge on a Nix player at the end.

Only 4 players who should be guaranteed of their starting place next week should be Duke, Sim, Triffiro and Reddy.

Agree with most of your ratings. But, why so harsh on Caceres? Just because he gave the ball away 3 times which 2 of he recovered straight away? A bit harsh on one of our best players that inexplicably has been benched don't you think? Imo Trifiro only started making an impact after Cass came on. That's when Glen started getting properly fed. Kim, Mane, Rose, give the ball away consistently and according to you they all deserve above zero. If anyone should be rated a zero, it's the coach.
 

true believer

Well-Known Member
well it's time for my rant .the team that took the field was as dysfunctional as it gets

the hutch/monty partnership is a a choke point in midfield . cerceras should be the first picked with either of those two.
this is a self evident truth, that blind Freddie can see.
fitz is "in my opinion" is our best attacking player left or right wing .why the hell not
mane was crap today his passing options are poor . the only time he pass well is when he runs to the goal and crosses from there.
he should be played as a fast sub against a team that plays with a high line . if he starts it should be on the wing
duke is the best centre forward in the club when he got forward was the only time we looked threatening .he was our
second best player on the park yesterday.
sim best on ground will play every week.
kim maybe a better option along side hutch or monty .frankly very disappointing . disappeared down the tunnel not to be seen again yesterday !
trif the first , second and only choice at 10 .

moss started the season looking like a long term mariner coach . selections leave his position very much under the pump .

this looks like being a very hard season .

feel free to throw rocks
 
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pjennings

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Still after 2 rounds our crowds for corresponding fixtures are up 6% if measured by the higher Jets crowd last year, 18% if measured against the Newcastle average crowd or 33% against the Jets lower crowd.

The Nix game crowd was up 24% against last year.
 

Wombat

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well it's time for my rant .the team that took the field was as dysfunctional as it gets

the hutch/monty partnership is a a choke point in midfield . cerceras should be the first picked with either of those two.
this is a self evident truth, that blind Freddie can see.
fitz is "in my opinion" is our best attacking player left or right wing .why the hell not
mane was crap today his passing options are poor . the only time he pass well is when he runs to the goal and crosses from there.
he should be played as a fast sub against a team that plays with a high line . if he starts it should be on the wing
duke is the best centre forward in the club when he got forward was the only time we looked threatening .he was our
second best player on the park yesterday.
sim best on ground will play every week.
kim maybe a better option along side hutch or monty .frankly very disappointing . disappeared down the tunnel not to be seen again yesterday !
trif the first , second and only choice at 10 .

moss started the season looking like a long term mariner coach . selections leave his position very much under the pump .

this looks like being a very hard season .

feel free to throw rocks

If Sim is our best player we are going to be fighting it out with Nix and Scum for the spoon.
 

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