Perth Glory V Central Coast Mariners

[Allreet?]

Guys...we're top of the league. That doesn't happen without a pair of outstanding centre backs.

Sure they'll have made some errors here and there but both have been incredible at times. And both have gone to a new level this year. We wouldnae be where we are if they hadnae...

 

[Wombat]

I don't know what the Rowles fan club sees in him. In a quite basic role he makes some prize mistakes almost every game. He was definitely outdone in the goal. At the next level up a player can't afford to make those basic mistakes. Being mistake free is just the start, then the man has to actually be good in his position. I don't see it with Rowles.
I'd have to say the same about Tongyik. Some decent work but still a lot of issues.
Just take a look at some of the other leagues around the world to see the quality levels that the boys will come up agaainst at the International level. It's not like getting an attendance medal at under eights.

Neither are ready yet but they are close, both have been fantastic this season and I feel you are talking about how they played last year, not now.

 

[scottmac]

Our cb's have been unchanged and we're leading the league. That alone dispels any myth that we have error prone cb's. However you can go further than that and say we have the best goal difference, and are close to equal best in goals against per game considering that Sydney are only marginally better due to having played less games and that's forgetting about the decisions we copped against the pissants. Take that into account and we are miles ahead. Both Rowles and Tonjik are massive reasons for that.

 

[pjennings]

Our cb's have been unchanged and we're leading the league. That alone dispels any myth that we have error prone cb's. However you can go further than that and say we have the best goal difference, and are close to equal best in goals against per game considering that Sydney are only marginally better due to having played less games and that's forgetting about the decisions we copped against the pissants. Take that into account and we are miles ahead. Both Rowles and Tonjik are massive reasons for that.

Goals conceded per game we concede less than SFC as do the scum.

Goals for per game we are running third behind Perth and Western United

 

[Forum Phoenix]

yep....you only have to look at Harry Maguire as an example in other top leagues

Lindelof is worse. Anything but mistake free.

Sorry Onto it, but you’re not onto it if you think Tongyik or Rowles have been anything but very good defenders this year on balance.

 

[Allreet?]

Of course, Birra takes a fair bit of credit also for where we are.

 

[scottmac]

Goals conceded per game we concede less than SFC as do the scum.

Goals for per game we are running third behind Perth and Western United

Yep. I did games per goal, not goals per game.

 

[finally retired]

Lindelof is worse. Anything but mistake free.

Agree..... I don't want to send this topic on a tangent....but when Lindelof and Maguire play together. aaarrrgghhhhh..... the SLOWEST pairing in the EPL. Tongyik and Rowles look MUCH better.

 

[Allreet?]

I was very impressed with Rowles when captain of the Joeys. Especially his aerial defence and long passing. I compared him at the time with Trent Sainsbury although as he came through the senior ranks it was clear Rowles was nowhere near as fast as Sainsbury.

That's what has so impressed me this year. Either Rowles has gotten faster (very hard to do at his age) or has so improved his anticipation and positioning that he can do without speed. I suspect the latter because his last ditch tackling has been incredible this year and has saved numerous goals that would've gone in last year.

 

[scottmac]

Of course, Birra takes a fair bit of credit also for where we are.

100% however he's only made 19 saves compared to Adelaide's keeper making 41. That means the defensive work right up the park is of a high standard

 

[Allreet?]

However many he's made, the quality of the saves is more what I was talking about. He kept us in the game against the Jets, and there was that top corner fingertip in another game that we won by a goal.

Outstanding stuff.

 

[onto it]

Bit harsh, even at high levels defenders get done every game. That’s the attackers job and some are very good at it.

But you have to remember we are talking about the U23 squad and there aren’t a lot of other great options getting decent minutes and performing. Optus had an article with an extensive list of players that could be in the mix and while I don’t think he’s pushing a starting spot with some of the international options he could well be a bench option at CB. But if clubs don’t release players Kye is very much in the mix and has been getting minutes at the previous tournament.

Point taken. It was a bit harsh.
I think Kye has the potential. He shows a lot of passion, seems smart enough and works hard, so he's improving every game. He's a valuable member of the team, and good team mates around him help the cause.
I just think it's a little early for international talk.

 

[onto it]

Agree..... I don't want to send this topic on a tangent....but when Lindelof and Maguire play together. aaarrrgghhhhh..... the SLOWEST pairing in the EPL. Tongyik and Rowles look MUCH better.

However, they are not dealing with the same quality of attackers...
They have been solid.

 

[onto it]

Changing the subject....
Looking at some of the differences between the two games, it's apparent that Nizz is more in tune with the team setup than is Janota. The midfield pairing was more organised and effective, due to both Ollie and Nizz being more disciplined in their positioning - obviously worked on after Adelaide.
It was also noticeable that our fullbacks got back more and received more help from the middies. NIgro especially, who for me is getting better down the line, but is still weak defensively, was helped a lot by the effervescent Niz. It worked well until second half tiredness set in.
I still can't figure Staj's subs though. For me, we needed fresh legs and the nous of Janota way earlier in the second half, as one example.
But what a great three points!

 

[greenlig]

I still can't figure Staj's subs though. For me, we needed fresh legs and the nous of Janota way earlier in the second half, as one example.

Staj alluded to that in the post-game interview, said "where they too late? We'll have to see when we review the game." or something to that effect. Janota was the right person to come on, just had sharpness and smarts that we needed, was great to see.

 

[style_cafe]

Yep, both him and Rowles are really staking their claim. I really hope national team duty doesnt derail the back end of the season, that would be incredibly cruel.

Add Boumann and maybe Pearce and Nizzy as well...

 

[turbo]

Add Boumann and maybe Pearce and Nizzy as well...

Bouman could be a chance, has been part of the setup but there is steep competition in the attacking roles. Similarly Nisbet is putting his hand up but so are others. I’m not sure he will get a look in purely due to the amount of options already in the frame but if he did make the cut it wouldn’t be undeserved.

Pearce has practically no chance with Margush, Glover and Delaniov (excuse spelling if wrong) all starting.

 

[onto it]

Bouman is certainly looking better all the time. I think he's a starter for us.
Nizz is amazing and deserving of at least a call up for a trial at u23s I would have thought.

 

[Allreet?]

Nizzy has to be one of the first picked in an A-League only Olyroos, but he's up against some awesome players if they include from Europe.

He'd still be a decent chance, surely.

 

[true believer]

time for the ccm v methtown cowbells