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Mariners Squad - 2019-2020

Ozhammer

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A very respected person told me the club gave Mulvey the player stats from training each week. Then Jem joined the club and wanted to view his own stats. As a professional he was unhappy with some of his times and asked if he could see the whole squads stats so he could compare. Apparently he was horrified at some of the results and brought it to the attention of Mike Mulvey, especially an infamously "lazy" player. Mulvey was horrified and went to see the analysis staff to ask if these stats were real. They told him "Mike, you have been receiving these reports since day one."
I can confirm the above 100% MM was not even aware of the GPS data, which would have no doubt informed him where the team was and wasn’t performing. That certain ‘lazy player’ (answers on the back of a postcard please) was so far from any kind of acceptable performance level that to start him week in week out was an utter disgrace.

Hopefully Staj will make better use of the data available to him going forward than MM did during his tenure, as these are the areas where the club can work to find those small improvements and provide better accountability imo.
 

Insertnamehere

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I can confirm the above 100% MM was not even aware of the GPS data, which would have no doubt informed him where the team was and wasn’t performing. That certain ‘lazy player’ (answers on the back of a postcard please) was so far from any kind of acceptable performance level that to start him week in week out was an utter disgrace.

Hopefully Staj will make better use of the data available to him going forward than MM did during his tenure, as these are the areas where the club can work to find those small improvements and provide better accountability imo.
Any coach who does not utilise data in a massive decision making way in this day and age is an absolute fool. Analytics has fundamentally changed sport for ever and imo for the better.
 

Insertnamehere

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love this guy... from sbs

Alexander Baumjohann has no ill-feeling towards the Western Sydney Wanderers after being released – but the German says he has much more to deliver to another club next season.

UPDATEDUPDATED 15 HOURS AGO
BY SEBASTIAN HASSETT
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The 32-year old was hailed by some commentators as the best passer the A-League has ever seen, only to mysteriously fall out of favour with manager Markus Babbel.

Baumjohann created 49 goalscoring chances in his 20 games, the fourth highest total in the league, with his 2.45-per-game average bettered only by Newcastle’s Dimi Petratos (3.2 per game) and Adelaide’s Craig Goodwin (2.62 per game).

However, after reflecting on his first year in Australia, Baumjohann believes that with a full pre-season and a trusting manager, he can turn those glimpses of brilliance into a season of dominance.

“I really enjoyed my first year in Australia and I want to stay here for longer. I am in talks with some clubs at the moment, but I’ll take my time to make a decision,” Baumjohann told The World Game.

“I think people now know what I can do and how much I can give to a team.

“The truth is that I arrived in A-League – which is very physical – without a complete pre-season. That makes it difficult to get into the flow and rhythm of any team at any level.

“You want to spend that time getting to know your teammates, learning the angle of their runs and how they like to receive the ball. That’s a big part of my game.”

Many critics noted that other Wanderers players were slow to react to Baumjohann’s quick feet and passes, which repeatedly unpicked defences.

“It would have been nice to have registered many more assists, but I don't blame anybody for not scoring those goals. It’s a team game,” he said.

“Anyone can see that creating assists and passing are my biggest strengths. I wanted to bring that here.

“And maybe sometime, rather than looking for the pass, I need to score some of those goals by myself.”

Despite playing just a solitary season with the club, Baumjohann says he was “overwhelmed” by the support of the Wanderers fans, who would frequently reach out in support.

“That was the most special part. They took me in like one of their own and that was a big surprise for me. I wanted to win a title for them,” he said.

“Getting released wasn’t my decision, but I hope the club – and the fans especially – gets that trophy they all want.

“If I ever get to play at the new Parramatta Stadium, I will clap the Red and Black bloc and acknowledge the support they gave me. I will always remember it.”

Baumjohann might be 32, but he says that his body feels much younger after playing limited football in previous years.

“The truth is that I lost almost two years – 2013 and 2014 – with injuries. But I was able to rebuild and refresh mentally in that time. My body is totally recovered,” he said.

“I’ve now added a full season in Australia and my fitness is so much better than a year ago.

“Maybe (there are) some other guys my age and they are thinking about the end. I’m not. I’m excited. I’m looking at Diego Castro and thinking if he can play like that at 36 or 37, so can I.”

Naturally, everyone asks Baumjohann about why Babbel seemed to treat him so awkwardly, which involved a mix of early substitutions and, occasionally, being omitted.

“I always respect the trainer’s decision – I know they have a difficult job. I wasn’t frustrated at him personally, I just wanted to play every game. I wanted to help this team,” he said.

“My relationship with Markus was fine. He signed me, he knew about my qualities and I think I showed that on the pitch.

“But he did admit to me that he wants players for a different style of football. I understand that. Coaches need to find players that suit their system."

Baumjohann also has a key piece of advice for foreigners thinking of coming to Australia.

“The first thing I’d say is ‘don’t think the A-League is easy’. There are so many difficult things, like the hot weather, long travelling, hard pitches and the tough schedule,” he said.

“Everybody always expects from the foreigners to make the difference, but that’s unrealistic. The league is very physical and as an offensive player, I found myself getting marked all the time – sometimes by two players.
How was his season injury wise? He came here with a terrible history and honestly if were ignoring injuries can we get tommy h on the blower?
 

Forum Phoenix

Well-Known Member
love this guy... from sbs

Alexander Baumjohann has no ill-feeling towards the Western Sydney Wanderers after being released – but the German says he has much more to deliver to another club next season.

UPDATEDUPDATED 15 HOURS AGO
BY SEBASTIAN HASSETT
SHARE

The 32-year old was hailed by some commentators as the best passer the A-League has ever seen, only to mysteriously fall out of favour with manager Markus Babbel.

Baumjohann created 49 goalscoring chances in his 20 games, the fourth highest total in the league, with his 2.45-per-game average bettered only by Newcastle’s Dimi Petratos (3.2 per game) and Adelaide’s Craig Goodwin (2.62 per game).

However, after reflecting on his first year in Australia, Baumjohann believes that with a full pre-season and a trusting manager, he can turn those glimpses of brilliance into a season of dominance.

“I really enjoyed my first year in Australia and I want to stay here for longer. I am in talks with some clubs at the moment, but I’ll take my time to make a decision,” Baumjohann told The World Game.

“I think people now know what I can do and how much I can give to a team.

“The truth is that I arrived in A-League – which is very physical – without a complete pre-season. That makes it difficult to get into the flow and rhythm of any team at any level.

“You want to spend that time getting to know your teammates, learning the angle of their runs and how they like to receive the ball. That’s a big part of my game.”

Many critics noted that other Wanderers players were slow to react to Baumjohann’s quick feet and passes, which repeatedly unpicked defences.

“It would have been nice to have registered many more assists, but I don't blame anybody for not scoring those goals. It’s a team game,” he said.

“Anyone can see that creating assists and passing are my biggest strengths. I wanted to bring that here.

“And maybe sometime, rather than looking for the pass, I need to score some of those goals by myself.”

Despite playing just a solitary season with the club, Baumjohann says he was “overwhelmed” by the support of the Wanderers fans, who would frequently reach out in support.

“That was the most special part. They took me in like one of their own and that was a big surprise for me. I wanted to win a title for them,” he said.

“Getting released wasn’t my decision, but I hope the club – and the fans especially – gets that trophy they all want.

“If I ever get to play at the new Parramatta Stadium, I will clap the Red and Black bloc and acknowledge the support they gave me. I will always remember it.”

Baumjohann might be 32, but he says that his body feels much younger after playing limited football in previous years.

“The truth is that I lost almost two years – 2013 and 2014 – with injuries. But I was able to rebuild and refresh mentally in that time. My body is totally recovered,” he said.

“I’ve now added a full season in Australia and my fitness is so much better than a year ago.

“Maybe (there are) some other guys my age and they are thinking about the end. I’m not. I’m excited. I’m looking at Diego Castro and thinking if he can play like that at 36 or 37, so can I.”

Naturally, everyone asks Baumjohann about why Babbel seemed to treat him so awkwardly, which involved a mix of early substitutions and, occasionally, being omitted.

“I always respect the trainer’s decision – I know they have a difficult job. I wasn’t frustrated at him personally, I just wanted to play every game. I wanted to help this team,” he said.

“My relationship with Markus was fine. He signed me, he knew about my qualities and I think I showed that on the pitch.

“But he did admit to me that he wants players for a different style of football. I understand that. Coaches need to find players that suit their system."

Baumjohann also has a key piece of advice for foreigners thinking of coming to Australia.

“The first thing I’d say is ‘don’t think the A-League is easy’. There are so many difficult things, like the hot weather, long travelling, hard pitches and the tough schedule,” he said.

“Everybody always expects from the foreigners to make the difference, but that’s unrealistic. The league is very physical and as an offensive player, I found myself getting marked all the time – sometimes by two players.

Likeable isn’t he.
 

JoyfulPenguin

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He would be a great pickup for us. Known quantity at this level but we'd need to convince him we're lifting our game too. If the Ingham rumour from a while back is true we could have him feeding Oar, Ingham and Murray. I'm not so sure Simon's game works as well with a decent 10 but I'm of the belief we can't be a serious force while he's a consistent starter. Wouldn't get a starting gig at any other club so we have to ask why here. Bring in an alternative and that attack actually looks alright.
Oh god Ingham has been connected to us? That's depressing as all hell.
 

Forum Phoenix

Well-Known Member
I can confirm the above 100% MM was not even aware of the GPS data, which would have no doubt informed him where the team was and wasn’t performing. That certain ‘lazy player’ (answers on the back of a postcard please) was so far from any kind of acceptable performance level that to start him week in week out was an utter disgrace.

Hopefully Staj will make better use of the data available to him going forward than MM did during his tenure, as these are the areas where the club can work to find those small improvements and provide better accountability imo.

I don’t doubt you and Wombat, but my brain struggles to comprehend this. How can a professional coach not look at his player data?

Though any half decent coach shouldn’t need data to tell Hoole’s f**king lazy.

Ok, I’ll be as charitable as possible. Maybe it’s not so evident in training and they miss it from the sidelines at games, and Greenlig noted that in general TV coverage you don’t really pick up his lack of running. So maybe when watching games back no one notices either. But watching from the stands, just ridiculous how often he’s the last to arrive in both directions.

But this only makes not using data all the stupider. These coaches really do bring it on themselves. And us. Crazy clown town FC.
 
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Michael

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How was his season injury wise? He came here with a terrible history and honestly if were ignoring injuries can we get tommy h on the blower?

He was signed pretty late and was thrown in 110% from the get go so he had a couple muscle issues, I can’t remember what exactly but he missed roughly 3-4 weeks.
Similar to their quality German CB (name escapes me right now)
So I guess that’s more on the coach than the player.

Just on Jai Ingham, I said at the time of the rumour I think he’d be decent for us with regular minutes. And still do. But that rumour may have been when Mulvey was still here.
Apparently the Majok deal has been finalised. SIGH.
 

Michael

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I don’t doubt you and Wombat, but my brain struggles to comprehend this. How can a professional coach not look at his player data?

Though any half decent coach shouldn’t need data to tell Hoole’s f**king lazy.

Ok, I’ll be as charitable as possible. Maybe it’s not so evident in training and they miss it from the sidelines at games, and Greenlig noted that in general TV coverage you don’t really pick up his lack of running. So maybe when watching games back no one notices either. But watching from the stands, just ridiculous how often he’s the last to arrive in both directions.

But this only makes not using data all the stupid. These coaches really do bring it on themselves. And us. Crazy clown town FC.


It’s school boy stuff mate.
Literally school boy stuff, remember when you were a teenager and you’d have a team mate that would score the very occasional banger (hooles very occasional freekick) and the coaches would be blown away and become blind to every deficiency in that players game.
Shouldn’t happen at the pro level, but it does.
 

turbo

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I don’t doubt you and Wombat, but my brain struggles to comprehend this. How can a professional coach not look at his player data?
This. I'm trying not jump on the blind belief of gossip bandwagon after Shaun's last post but given how poorly we did most of us would believe it if we were told it's because the team spent too much time kicking kids at the local orphanage instead of training.
 

JoyfulPenguin

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He was signed pretty late and was thrown in 110% from the get go so he had a couple muscle issues, I can’t remember what exactly but he missed roughly 3-4 weeks.
Similar to their quality German CB (name escapes me right now)
So I guess that’s more on the coach than the player.

Just on Jai Ingham, I said at the time of the rumour I think he’d be decent for us with regular minutes. And still do. But that rumour may have been when Mulvey was still here.
Apparently the Majok deal has been finalised. SIGH.
Personally I think Ingham is one of the most hot and cold players the A-League has seen, if he is in form he is an above average A-League player, if he isn't then he is far, far below. I don't think we can afford to have someone who is that inconsistent. He has been given plenty of opportunities at Victory, prior to this season, and struggled even with all the support Victory's budget provides.

Well if Majok is a done deal I can't say I am too pleased by it, he has the almighty "potential" tag but that's about it and we have released our own academy strikers with better records than his. He also has probably the worst first touch I have seen from an A-League striker in quite some time.
 

Antlion

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When you watch the wind go out of the sails in the 2nd half of EVERY game I can believe MM didn't look at the data
 

Insertnamehere

Well-Known Member
So he is a good dribbler, but he cant pass and turns the ball over a lot??
If you could build a formula to provide a single number say 20-80 such as baseball scouting that gives you a relative indication of him vs league avg, avg being 50, in his position I’d guess he’s better than league avg, 55?. that’s eye balling it by looking at his dot v green line v good v bad outcomes.
 

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