Matchday 12 v Entitlement FC

[Capn Gus Bloodbeard]

Yeah but with Ams suggestion that it was not off side then makes the VAR only decide on an obvious error which it couldn’t. It’s arguable that if the offside remained then the VAR wouldn’t over rule that either.

It is arguable. Maybe it isn't in the bunker. Was VAR simply unable to be certain, or would it have been overruled if it was given?

We have absolutely no idea. And that's a huge problem.

I would actually love to be able to say 'fair play Ams. I still think you couldn't handle an U/11 C grade match, but have to admit, you handled this decision really well' - but so far we're presented with inconclusive broadcast footage and with no feedback from the bunker, I have no evidence to say that.

Even IF the right decision was made - at the moment, it's still controversial. FIFA need to understand that VAR needs to be, not just about improving decision-making (epic fail down under, but that's a whole other thing), but reducing controversy. And that's where communications and transparency come into play.

Heck, even if VAR was actually inconclusive on this one - surely we have a right to know - at least we know who to be angry at!!

 

[turbo]

Yeah but with Ams suggestion that it was not off side then makes the VAR only decide on an obvious error which it couldn’t. It’s arguable that if the offside remained then the VAR wouldn’t over rule that either. Ams changing the decision was critical IMO. And he knew that.

That’s not true. Offside is a binary decision - where is the player? Was there a touch? CAR would check both. Where it gets tricky is if a foul is called and it’s soft the VAR won’t change it but that’s a different situation.

 

[Michael]

Hopefully. But now, I don't see it. Once Cummings gets up to speed he doesn't make the 11 and Nizzy is 10 miles infront of him on the wing

Disagree. Niz, whilst good out wide, is so much more influential in CM but I don’t see him getting past one of Monty’s favourites, Harry Steele.
Moresche being on the wing today, I think was a late call… didn’t deserve to be dropped so was accommodated. Perhaps with atleast a week of working in that area he’ll be more influential.

 

[Tevor]

That’s not true. Offside is a binary decision - where is the player? Was there a touch? CAR would check both. Where it gets tricky is if a foul is called and it’s soft the VAR won’t change it but that’s a different situation.

Disagree, it was all about if the ball was touched or not. I don’t think there was any conclusive evidence either way therefore VAR is not brought in as there is no obvious error. If offside was ruled how do they know it wasn’t touched. Donachie is the only one who really knows.

 

[turbo]

Disagree. Niz, whilst good out wide, is so much more influential in CM but I don’t see him getting past one of Monty’s favourites, Harry Steele.
Moresche being on the wing today, I think was a late call… didn’t deserve to be dropped so was accommodated. Perhaps with atleast a week of working in that area he’ll be more influential.

Up until the game before he got covid Nizzy was a beast in RM. I don’t think we have anyone that would put perform him there. That leaves Cy and Benni to fight over LM.
Outside of rotation or formation change I see Moresche being our bench striker which isn’t necessarily a bad thing.

 

[Capn Gus Bloodbeard]

That’s not true. Offside is a binary decision - where is the player? Was there a touch? CAR would check both. Where it gets tricky is if a foul is called and it’s soft the VAR won’t change it but that’s a different situation.

yeah, but we don't know if the VAR could tell if there was a touch or not, or if VAR was sure there was no touch.

The former means the ref's decision stands no matter what it is. The latter means if the ref ruled a goal, it's disallowed.

 

[scottmac]

yeah, but we don't know if the VAR could tell if there was a touch or not, or if VAR was sure there was no touch.

The former means the ref's decision stands no matter what it is. The latter means if the ref ruled a goal, it's disallowed.

If they had repays worth showing, they'd show them. It's a viewer sport and controversy sells. Without the conclusive replays VAR is fairly useless. Anyone seen VAR overturn a close decision lately.........

 

[Tevor]

yeah, but we don't know if the VAR could tell if there was a touch or not, or if VAR was sure there was no touch.

The former means the ref's decision stands no matter what it is. The latter means if the ref ruled a goal, it's disallowed.

Yes and Ams knows that if it’s inconclusive they cannot overturn the decision. In changing the decision he put the advantage with them from the initial decision in our favour. In doing this he cannot be criticised. So far this season the VAR is sticking by the obvious error mantel from what I’ve seen so far. He Royally screwed us without doubt.

 

[Tevor]

If they had repays worth showing, they'd show them. It's a viewer sport and controversy sells. Without the conclusive replays VAR is fairly useless. Anyone seen VAR overturn a close decision lately.........

Exactly, by changing it he screwed us.

 

[greenlig]

That sucked. We’re obviously well short of fitness and Sydney had a b-team that wanted to prove itself. A fit Mariners rolls them easy. Ams sucks and I cast a pox on him. We didn’t see replays because the camera placement and general quality of the camerawork is horrible this season. This is also the reason there was no VAR for the Marcos handball incident.

Sucks, we were really good in patches. Cumdog looks great.

 

[Huddo]

Here's a question for the people saying it wasn't offside. If it is not played at by donarchie, how is VAR not able to point out to the fact donarchie made heavy contact with Tongyik without not touching the ball? shouldn't that be a foul in itself?

 

[Ozhammer]

I've never seen a ref run over to a linesman who had raised his flag for offside.

That's insanely unprofessional, like his whole job is judging offside... Now either Ams knew that Donache missed it, which I f**king doubt. Or he was pressuring him into changing his mind which is what happened

Honestly? Ams couldn’t even see Tinkerbelle tip the fkn ball round the post in the first half, so don’t make me laugh that he was capable of spotting anything in the lead up to Bobo’s goal.

Ku*t Ams has to be the single most incompetent and biased referee in the history of this league.

 

[Tevor]

Here a question. If it is not played at by donarchie, how is VAR not able to point out to the fact donarchie made contact with Tongyik drawing a foul foulnoting he supposedly didn't touch the ball?

Good point, but Ams would just say I seen it and it wasn’t a foul. Then VAR would be ineffective again.

 

[scottmac]

Disagree. Niz, whilst good out wide, is so much more influential in CM but I don’t see him getting past one of Monty’s favourites, Harry Steele.
Moresche being on the wing today, I think was a late call… didn’t deserve to be dropped so was accommodated. Perhaps with atleast a week of working in that area he’ll be more influential.

Yep, I can see that side of it too.

 

[Tevor]

Who better than a guy who is the VAR occasionally to know how to play the system. He probably should have checked both hand ball calls on the screen to be honest. But no he wasn’t going to let the VAR tell him anything. I’m not a violent person but I really want to punch him in the head real hard.

 

[scottmac]

Who better than a guy who is the VAR occasionally to know how to play the system. He probably should have checked both hand ball calls on the screen to be honest. But no he wasn’t going to let the VAR tell him anything. I’m not a violent person but I really want to punch him in the head real hard.

There wasn't a big call that went our way. Typical Ams. If anyone thinks he knew for sure that Donacie didn't touch that, they're kidding themselves.

 

[Huddo]

Good point, but Ams would just say I seen it and it wasn’t a foul. Then VAR would be ineffective again.

He supposedly made contact with a player and not the ball how isn't it a foul?

 

[turbo]

If they had repays worth showing, they'd show them. It's a viewer sport and controversy sells. Without the conclusive replays VAR is fairly useless. Anyone seen VAR overturn a close decision lately.........

They showed an angle well after the game. They are either courting controversy (and in the process looking amateur) or more likely their production is rubbish. He didn’t touch it, I just wish they showed us earlier so we could more on

 

[Huddo]

They showed an angle well after the game. They are either courting controversy (and in the process looking amateur) or more likely their production is rubbish. He didn’t touch it, I just wish they showed us earlier so we could more on

So why isn't the contact with tongyik penalised then if he doesn't touch it?

 

[Melange]

Doesn't help that Urena couldn't hold up a balloon today.

Urenas determination to chase a lost cause set up our second goal