Mariners Financial Crisis in the Daily Tele

[Nathan Byrn]

Selling Rostyn must provide some breathing space for our financial woes and underlines what Lowy is saying - we are a very well run club without the benefit of billionaire owners. I don't mind if we survive under our own resources and challenge for the major titles and win the NYL from time to time and introduce brilliant youngsters like Amini, Ryan, Ibini, Rogic and Duke and develop a CoE. verhead:
I mean, we could be Gold Coast or Sydney...

Well run? Is that a joke?

 

[bikinigirl]

Well run? Is that a joke?

. i'd be interested to know what has made anybody else any better

 

[Muppet]

Well run? Is that a joke?

Looks can be deceiving. I think we are suffering losses nowhere near the size of other clubs, something hinted at by Lowy. That's the one saving grace however it is the capacity of the owners to keep covering those losses which concerns me.

I for one will not be renewing my membership this year at least until such time as our future is assured. I am not in a position to spend money to see it go down the drain no matter who calls me from the club.

 

[localpom]

We are a very well run club,don't think anyone else is doing it better. We wouldn't have had so much success on such a small budget otherwise.

 

[Nathan Byrn]

I am speechless, as in I will not say anymore on this.

 

[Atomic]

What concerns me is the "muddying of the waters" caused by the CoE. From my ill-informed point of view, it is the relationship between the Mariners Trust Fund and the Mariners that seems to be the stumbling block for many potential investors. The Mariners Board seem to be using the CoE as a carrot for investors yet at the same time, PT wants to keep control of it.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong... but PT seems to me to be the problem with attracting money to the club. So, if that what Nathan Byrn is referring to when he questions we are a well run club, then I'm afraid I have to somewhat agree with his opinion.

 

[Revilo]

I am speechless, as in I will not say anymore on this.

Is there something obvious everyone is missing?

I don't really understand how you can be speechless about people not knowing somethin that, to you, must seem obvious, but then not offer to explain what we are all missing.

 

[scottmac]

I am speechless, as in I will not say anymore on this.

The question is would the club be where it is at now or be in a better position if he was not involved? Was there any one else at that point in time that was willing to do what he has done?

Not everyone can be pleased all the time. Nor can someone make the correct desicions all the time. As some others have said I'd rather be in our position than any other team's position and if PT's mismanagement is to blame for that then great. He sure has a way of falling on his feet rather than his face like some others we've seen.(stumbling is prefered to falling over IMO)

 

[Nathan Byrn]

I am not going to publicy bag the running of the club anymore than I have. A quick review of points raised in a number of threads over the years would illustrate that there have been on-going issues. However I would like to point out that any business that is experiencing a multi-tude of problems and problems that involve multiple third parties is not being particularly well run.
I have stated this many times, The Mariners core business is the A-League franchise.
The day-to-day operations of the club. Using the underlying argument that The Mariners loose the least amount is entirely flawed.What is the Mariner strategic business plan to drive the franchise forward? To eleviate on-going cash-flow issues?

Wait for the new TV deal?
The "we need an investor to share the burden" is not going to generate much interest either...

 

[marinermick]

What Atmoic said.

The fact that we are losing our core players while other A-League clubs are fending off similar offers is probably a guide to "how well" the club is being run.

 

[scottmac]

What is the Mariner strategic business plan to drive the franchise forward? To eleviate on-going cash-flow issues?

To me that is blatently obvious. To have the most successful team possible while incurring the least amount of losses. This seams to be what he is pinning all his hopes on and relying on this to deliver wide spread interest and bums on seats which in turn brings corporate support. He is probably scratching his head as to why the Central Coast has not taken to this team in greater numbers at games. If not for the Brisbane Roar this team would be talked about as one of the greatest Australian teams of all time.

If the head of the organisation takes responsibility for deficiencies then they must also take credit for success'. Seems to me its a pretty hard juggling act and one where at this point in time not all boxes are able to be ticked easily or successfully.

Credit where its due IMO without forgetting the future is not far away and things change rapidly.

 

[Nathan Byrn]

To me that is blatently obvious. To have the most successful team possible while incurring the least amount of losses. This seams to be what he is pinning all his hopes on and relying on this to deliver wide spread interest and bums on seats which in turn brings corporate support. He is probably scratching his head as to why the Central Coast has not taken to this team in greater numbers at games. If not for the Brisbane Roar this team would be talked about as one of the greatest Australian teams of all time.

If the head of the organisation takes responsibility for deficiencies then they must also take credit for success'. Seems to me its a pretty hard juggling act and one where at this point in time not all boxes are able to be ticked easily or successfully.

Credit where its due IMO without forgetting the future is not far away and things change rapidly.

By selling our better players?
And the comment about greatest team of all time is laughable..That is a joke.

 

[dibo]

Why don't we all slit our f**king wrists then.

Trust football fans to turn something fun and enjoyable into a social gathering for manic depressives.

 

[Nathan Byrn]

Why don't we all slit our f**king wrists then.

Trust football fans to turn something fun and enjoyable into a social gathering for manic depressives.

The thread title refers to a "financial crisis".
The sale of assets has sandbagged the crisis somewhat. Hardly what you would call a sustainable business model though.

 

[marinermick]

Why don't we all slit our f**king wrists then.

Trust football fans to turn something fun and enjoyable into a social gathering for manic depressives.

Don't be so dramatic.

As members and long term fans we have a right to voice our displeasure.

If the club is so well run as we are forced fed by club spin then why hasn't an investor been found yet? If it is the model club of the A-League investors would be flocking to our club to be part of it.

There has been plenty of interest but seem to be scared away when they do due diligence. Why is this? Is this a sign of well run club?

The current situation is unacceptable and if left to continue we will lose our coach, our best players, go to the bottom of the table next season, lose our sponsors and half our crowds. What will our losses be then?

It is obviously that something is murky in the business structure and the sooner this gets sorted out the sooner we can get back on track on the pitch.

Our current decline on the pitch is a direct reflection of what is happening behind the scenes at the club and the more people that are made aware of it the more people can voice their displeasure.

 

[scottmac]

What Atmoic said.

The fact that we are losing our core players while other A-League clubs are fending off similar offers is probably a guide to "how well" the club is being run.

IMO It shows we dont have someone that is not able or willing to cover the losses we are making and will take an injection of cash whenever it comes along.

As for losing core players it depends on your definition of core player. Wilko or Rosey did not leave and decided to stay. Match them up against Rostyn and Matty. Rostyn is someone we have multiple replacements for and in regards to Matty we have quite a few young forwards coming through the ranks. Try saying the same for a CB or LB. Seems like good business to me.

 

[Nathan Byrn]

Don't be so dramatic.

As members and long term fans we have a right to voice our displeasure.

If the club is so well run as we are forced fed by club spin then why hasn't an investor been found yet? If it is the model club of the A-League investors would be flocking to our club to be part of it.

There has been plenty of interest but seem to be scared away when they do due diligence. Why is this? Is this a sign of well run club?

The current situation is unacceptable and if left to continue we will lose our coach, our best players, go to the bottom of the table next season, lose our sponsors and half our crowds. What will our losses be then?

It is obviously that something is murky in the business structure and the sooner this gets sorted out the sooner we can get back on track on the pitch.

Our current decline on the pitch is a direct reflection of what is happening behind the scenes at the club and the more people that are made aware of it the more people can voice their displeasure.

Very well put Mick. A couple of very important issues you have raised. If not for the hard work of a select few, THE CCM would not function.

 

[Nathan Byrn]

IMO It shows we dont have someone that is able or willing to cover the losses we are making and will take an injection of cash whenever it comes along.

As for losing core players it depends on your definition of core player. Wilko or Rosey did not leave and decided to stay. Match them up against Rostyn and Matty. Rostyn is someone we have multiple replacements for and in regards to Matty we have quite a few young forwards coming through the ranks. Try saying the same for a CB or LB. Seems like good business to me.

You think letting Matt Simon go was good business?? GOOD BUSINESS???
Even PT say's it was not!!

Ask GA how much it would cost him to aquire what Matt Simon brought to the club!!!!
He is irreplacable...

 

[scottmac]

Don't be so dramatic.

As members and long term fans we have a right to voice our displeasure.

If the club is so well run as we are forced fed by club spin then why hasn't an investor been found yet? If it is the model club of the A-League investors would be flocking to our club to be part of it.

There has been plenty of interest but seem to be scared away when they do due diligence. Why is this? Is this a sign of well run club?

The current situation is unacceptable and if left to continue we will lose our coach, our best players, go to the bottom of the table next season, lose our sponsors and half our crowds. What will our losses be then?

It is obviously that something is murky in the business structure and the sooner this gets sorted out the sooner we can get back on track on the pitch.

Our current decline on the pitch is a direct reflection of what is happening behind the scenes at the club and the more people that are made aware of it the more people can voice their displeasure.

So why don't you guys go and make everyone abundantly aware of what is going on rather than pissing around the edges like you seem to be doing?

 

[scottmac]

You think letting Matt Simon go was good business?? GOOD BUSINESS???
Even PT say's it was not!!

Ask GA how much it would cost him to aquire what Matt Simon brought to the club!!!!
He is irreplacable...

Your putting words in my mouth. I said keeping a LB and CB we dont have replacements for while letting a striker go who we do have replacements for was good business.


As for irreplacable, thats obvious but its not going to make Matt a candidate for marquee status any time soon.