Who should be our Manager?

[sydmariner]

Sorry mate.....it was obvious to me in the pre-season games that we were in big trouble. I kept my mouth under control as best I could but now I have to say Mossy Out and let's try again next year with a more experienced coach.

you weren't one of the people that was chanting mossy out were you

 

[nebakke]

Mate, you've been saying Mossy out since those pre-season games.
Point is, everyone seems to have forgotten exactly what pjennings pointed out. Mossy actually did better with Arnie's cattle, last year, than Arnie did with them. Goal diff was the only thing keeping us out of second, a spot that none of us really thought we'd get near when Arnie left.

 

[nebakke]

This is the way I lean.
Gombau was coaching in Hong Kong. There must be another good 'un out there wanting the exposure of a bigger league.

Agreed, if we HAVE to go for a new coach, we should be looking beyond the usual suspects. I don't care too much whether it's an Australian or someone from elsewhere, recognising that we have a very limited budget, but this old-boys club is tiresome, boring AND ineffective.
F*** it, give Wombat a go!

 

[sydmariner]

Agreed, if we HAVE to go for a new coach, we should be looking beyond the usual suspects. I don't care too much whether it's an Australian or someone from elsewhere, recognising that we have a very limited budget, but this old-boys club is tiresome, boring AND inefficient.
F*** it, give Wombat a go!

if we put wombat in charge the 1st thing that he'll do is get rid of hucho

 

[nebakke]

if we put wombat in charge the 1st thing that he'll do is get rid of hucho

Well, you can't expect a change of coach without changes to the team... Question really, is who'd be left?

 

[VicMariner]

Mate, you've been saying Mossy out since those pre-season games.
Point is, everyone seems to have forgotten exactly what pjennings pointed out. Mossy actually did better with Arnie's cattle, last year, than Arnie did with them. Goal diff was the only thing keeping us out of second, a spot that none of us really thought we'd get near when Arnie left.

Yeah, but what happened since then? We've gone backwards or at the very least we're treading water.
I wouldn't mind losing if I could see us moving towards something but I just can't see it.
I think I said it before, Gombau at Adelaide was losing early on but you could see them inching toward their goal.
We're going nowhere.

 

[dibo]

Arguably.......LOL.

Because with a half decent coach we would be inthe top 6 right now.

Where do you score whatever it is you're smoking?

 

[sydmariner]

Where do you score whatever it is you're smoking?

it aint from me

 

[Wombat]

Where do you score whatever it is you're smoking?

Dibo....I let a lot of the shite you type here go through to the keeper because
1. You are a mod.
2. You love the mariners (and certain players with an unholy obsession)
3. You are smart and sometimes I can't be bothered to argue
4. Very occasionally you hit the nail on the head with a superb post

But what the f**k are you on about here??????

Do you think Moss is a good coach?
Are you happy with how we have played this year?
Do you think Mossy's tactics have got the best out of the team?

Personally I don't smoke drugs but if you are on something that makes you feel satisfied with our performances.....then I would love to have a crack at that shit.

Even local coaches like Terry Dickinson (Terrigal ) and Tony G would have been more successful than Mossy who has been flakey all season.

 

[Wombat]

it aint from me

I don't smoke cheese.

 

[Wombat]

if we put wombat in charge the 1st thing that he'll do is get rid of hucho

Yes but he would still be in the squad.

 

[dibo]

You claimed that another coach would have us in the top six. I *strongly* disagree, but I didn't make any other claims, but feel free to put any words you like in my mouth.

You're very good at giving pronouncements; not so good at backing them up with any sort of rationale.

Simply announcing that another coach would have is in the top six is frankly laughable, as if the coach is the only thing that would need to change.

If only real life were so simple.

 

[Spacks]

Yes but he would still be in the squad.

So glad someone else agrees that Hutch needs to take a seat and let others take over. He's past his use by date and should sit back and enjoy passing on his knowledge/skill to the youth.

 

[Einstein]

Has he recruited well? Are players performing well under him? Have many individuals improved under him? Have we been able to attract "quality"? Can the playing group execute his "way"? Do they respect him? Is he strong enough to tell the club what he requires?

 

[gull]

Mate, you've been saying Mossy out since those pre-season games.
Point is, everyone seems to have forgotten exactly what pjennings pointed out. Mossy actually did better with Arnie's cattle, last year, than Arnie did with them. Goal diff was the only thing keeping us out of second, a spot that none of us really thought we'd get near when Arnie left.

Yeah but it was a negative goal difference, and a very unusual table. I don't think we'll see teams with a negative goal difference get third place again for a long time.

I agree with Wombat. We were all keen to see what Mossy would do with his own team and a full pre-season, but we came into the season underdone and with no clear plan or structure. If there was one the players don't seem to understand it or know how to implement it. It's been catch up and try to plug the holes from there but more holes keep appearing each week.

There are no consistent team selections, and sometimes bizarre ones (ie Sim starting). There is no desire or confidence from the players, and a -13 goal difference 15 rounds in.

Quite frankly we've been rubbish pretty much throughout the season, and we are lucky there are two teams going worse than us or we'd be looking at our first wooden spoon (and we're not safe from that yet).

If people think that these results are acceptable than that's up to them, but for mine it's Moss out asap.

 

[nebakke]

If people think that these results are acceptable than that's up to them, but for mine it's Moss out asap.

For mine at least, you'll note that I specifically didn't say that I thought the team was doing alright. The point was that I'm not convinced that the change of coach is the thing to fix it.
The goal diff last year, was both the result of the end of the Arnie era and the beginning of the Mossy era, it improved.
But it was also the result of the psychology of the players. More so than just about any other team, a single goal seem to have the capacity to lift our boys.
Had Matty not taken a wrong turn with the keeper on Saturday, I feel like the goal diff would have been very different. But by that same token, going down even by one, and watching opportunities missed, has the capacity to take us completely apart.
Definitely a lot of that is down to coaching, but I'm starting to think they need a sports shrink.

 

[VicMariner]

Could another coach do any better with our current squad?

Maybe. Just one or two more wins and we would be top six.
Truth is though we have one of the weaker teams. Our foreign recruitment has been atrocious. Moss is probably hamstrung by having a non existent budget and that would be down to MC. If we don't have the money for top talent we need to be a lot smarter. So far our peanuts are only getting monkeys.
I sometimes think MC is only going through the motions of running a club while his real interest lies elsewhere. I think there is a fair chance the culture at the club might be beginning to sour from the top down.
I hope not.

I'm starting to think they need a sports shrink.

This mental side worries me. We used to be a team that was at least respected if not feared. Winning is a habit and so is losing. The longer we under perform the harder it might be to get back up.

 

[VicMariner]

Getting annoyed now the more I think about it.

MC bought one of the best teams in the country and has been running it into the ground since he got full control.

ETA
Moss is left holding the can on match day, maybe MC should walk onto the ground after games.

 

[mariner72]

You have to consider that MC was probably pulling the strings financially before he completely took over and who else would take us over right now without him. I just get the feeling that things are a little more complex that meets the eye and although I don't like what's happening in fact hate what MC has tried to do with the club in recent times aka N Sydney match there must be a bigger play here. Just my suspicion. I heard he's turning up at the next fan forum so will travel up and quiz him as intrigued if nothing else, nothing would really surprise me.

 

[gull]

Could another coach do any better with our current squad?

Maybe. Just one or two more wins and we would be top six.
Truth is though we have one of the weaker teams. Our foreign recruitment has been atrocious. Moss is probably hamstrung by having a non existent budget and that would be down to MC. If we don't have the money for top talent we need to be a lot smarter. So far our peanuts are only getting monkeys.
I sometimes think MC is only going through the motions of running a club while his real interest lies elsewhere. I think there is a fair chance the culture at the club might be beginning to sour from the top down.
I hope not.


This mental side worries me. We used to be a team that was at least respected if not feared. Winning is a habit and so is losing. The longer we under perform the harder it might be to get back up.

Fair call, but we have the same budget (ie FFA payment) as every other team. We don't have the ability to buy or choose not to buy marquees.

In that case we need a manager who can get the best out of what he has to lift us above other teams, and I don't think we have that.

To be honest I'm really surprised at the lack of pressure on Mossy by the media at the moment given our results.