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Rowdy

Well-Known Member
Yeah but WMG just threw down between $13-18 Million for a licence, & without a doubt have more ca$h in reserve for start-up costs & marketing.

We've just witnessed what can only be described as Charlesworth 'raiding his cookie jar' for the first time in donkey's
...... look at what we got for it ??
 

turbo

Well-Known Member
The only way we will survive is if MC spends a fortune or is able to find a buyer who is happy to spend a fortune on what is the smallest club in the A-League.

We could at least spend the money we have spent well. There have been some decent pickups like Clisby and Millar but Oar so far hasn’t fired and may be questioned at some point. Cisse looked great early but now it could go either way, we never gave McCormack much chance to be effective with the way we played. McGlinchey and Simon both regular starters that I very much doubt anyone else was even making a bench offer for.

A little club needs to be a smart club, youth pickups we can sell like some of of more prominent players of the past and current possibilities like Murray are worth the gamble. Transfers within the league would help us a lot.
 

Big Al

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Charlesworth is not responsible for hoof ball that always goes to the opposition.

It’s squarely on Mulvey. He knew the money situation. He just wanted to know if his own cheque would clear.

He had Tom and fCked him.

Had McCormack and used him at #10

I don’t need to go on. We know the rest
 

Ancient Mariner

Well-Known Member
Moss, Walmsley, Okon, Mulvey. All different styles, all totally unsuccessful. All have had good squads, not necessarily the best but better than the results indicate. Many of those players that were let go are playing in other squads, many starting: Roux, Galloway, Reddy, Fitzgerald, Buhagier and Wales.
What is going wrong with this club?
 

Wombat

Well-Known Member
Moss, Walmsley, Okon, Mulvey. All different styles, all totally unsuccessful. All have had good squads, not necessarily the best but better than the results indicate. Many of those players that were let go are playing in other squads, many starting: Roux, Galloway, Reddy, Fitzgerald, Buhagier and Wales.
What is going wrong with this club?
REDDY and Galloway were mistakes. the others are shit and will be found out
 

Rowdy

Well-Known Member
It's becoming more & more apparent to me that whether Mulvey plays with either a back 3 or a back 4 it is his failure to play with a dedicated 'sitting DM' that is seriously causing problems with the way we play.

Tonight, O'Neil proved it !
- if only for small periods of time/play when he sat there ....... up until Mulvey had the dumb as dog-shit idea to take him off.

WTF !!?? ...

In previous games, whether we played a back 3 or 4, the Midfield has been one of 'rotations' in positional play, based on either:

- where are you / where is the ball ?
- left side / right side for both of the above
- have you just been part of an attack ?
..... then someone else has to drop to cover you because your still high.

This was highly noticeable with the 4 - 3 - 3 formation early on.

Some here will think Melling was taking on the role of holding DM ... BUT he would push forward multiple times leaving great wads of space in behind when he either lost it while carrying, failing to hit a pass/target OR flat out missed the tackle whilst higher up.

.... & because Mulvey is NOT playinga dedicated &/or instructing someone to screen in front of the defensive line - the distance between our midfield and back-line is there to exploit.
 

Wombat

Well-Known Member
Aiden O'Neil was my MOM ... 'Better Performer' of what was an overall shite peformance.

Agree.
Aiden was not great but the best of a steaming pile of shit. I'd give him 6.5 and he was our best..............tells you how f**ked we were.
 

Rowdy

Well-Known Member
The NZ commentators normally talk so much one-eyed shit (mostly that Jason Pine dick head) BUT even Harry Ngata, ex- NZ Intetnational, said
- 'the Mariners would be better off swutching to a back 4 with a 2-3-1 in front of that'

...... second best bit of analysus from them in years.

....... the first was that Mandi is being an 'udiot' & should just get-up and get on with the game.
 

JoyfulPenguin

Well-Known Member
That was tough to watch, for the most part we fought hard for the ball but kept giving the ball away with simple skill errors that professional players shouldn't be making, the Bentleigh Greens are a mile above us just in simple pass completion.

Adam Pearce:
It's pretty clear that Pearce isn't ready for the A-League, will he ever be? He has been with us for four seasons now, if he cannot improve to at the very least challenging an under performing Kennedy for number one, what was the point of giving him a contract. He now has a senior professional contract and he needs to be judged by that standard would Velaphi, Acton, Margush, Birighitti, Delianov, Italiano, White, Theo, Oldfield, Scott, Cisak, Sail, Henderson, Tyson, Bray have done a better job? Personally I think all would have. While I will let him off the hook for the first goal, considering it got a deflection, he had to do better for the second he made barely any second effort to stop it. He made a couple of great saves to deny Krishna and looks to have at least improved the setting of his walls, but he doesn't command his box well especially for such a tall keeper. His distribution was atrocious but we needlessly passed it back to him on so many occasions even when we knew that his distribution was a problematic part of his game. Considering he is contracted and if Gauci and Munford are nowhere near ready for the A-League I think we should start him for at least the next five games to see if he is capable of playing at this level, if not then I think his time is up.

Jake McGing:
I was impressed by Jake McGing today, I thought he fought hard for the ball and was close to being our best, his defensive positioning was good and he never gave his opponents and inch.

Kalifa Cisse:
Constantly out of position and constantly gave the ball away despite minimal pressure, should be dropped next week, made a couple of good tackles and improved a bit in the second half but frankly was an atrocious performance from a much heralded foreign player. If he is not significantly better than a young Australian player we could have signed then what is the point of him being here?

Kye Rowles:
Terrible defensive positioning for much of the match and seemingly had no concept of where to position himself when players ran at him with the ball. Made some good tackles but needs to improve.

Jack Clisby:
Battled manfully for the ball and always gave the opposition player a contest but also gave away some silly and unneeded fouls. Clisby has always struggled with his crossing, it was his biggest problem at the Wanderers and why they let him go, why are we expecting him to play so many pin point ones? He has his defensive strengths but we are asking him to do far too much when going forward. I do not understand why we are asking him to take our free kicks and corners, McGlinchey is a specialist free kick tacker, why are we not utilizing him?

Matthew Millar:
Always looked dangerous when he had the ball and was our most direct and positive player in possession. Was our best player for me, tirelessly ran all night and made some good combinations with Connor Pain.

Michael McGlinchy:
He is not a central midfielder and cannot tackle, I cannot understand why we persist with him there, is Adam Berry that bad? When we had possession he looked aimlessly and failed to get into good passing areas for his teammates.

Aidan O'Neill:
Should have closed down the initial shot for the first goal better but overall put in a decent defensive performance and positioned himself quite well. For a player developed in a Premier League academy and who has played in the Premier League he gives the ball away too often with simple skill errors.

Connor Pain:
Looked dangerous when he got the ball but rarely had any, when given an opportunity he was dangerous and looked our most likely to provide an assist.

Matt Simon:
Looked slow and his combinations with Murray, apart from in the air, were abysmal. Looked like he had never even trained with Murray let alone played with him. Considering for much of pre-season they looked like our front two, how is that possible? He was good in the air, as he always is, but if he is going to continue as a starting A-League player he has to offer more than that.

Jordan Murray:
Fashioned some good opportunities for himself but was left completely isolated surrounded by Phoenix defenders far too often. He held the ball up terrifically well and ran at defenders well, only to have nearly no options. Would be good to see him starting up front with Pain and Hoole as wingers.

Andrew Hoole:
Didn't offer much when he came on but made a few decent dribbles.

Mario Shabow:
Had a small impact when he came on but gave the ball away a few times. Was at least positive in possession but was weirdly often positioned at left full back. Was willing to take on players and made Kurto work with a good shot from outside the box.

Josh MacDonald:
Produced a dangerous cross from a corner for probably our only real chance of the game. Didn't look out of place at A-League level and wouldn't mind seeing him on the bench again next week.

Mike Mulvey:
Our tactics were poor, and worked out within the first fifteen minutes, seemingly our only forward strategy is to hoof it long to Simon and hope he can head it down. Our defense was porous and the injury excuses do not hold true, this was going to be our squad without the extra late investment from Charlesworth. It feels like Tony Walmsley is back in charge because we seem to have no game plan or if we do we have absolutely no idea how to execute it. Frankly I think Cisse should have been dragged at half time, or at least some sort of change should have been made at half time, our subs felt late and like we were out of ideas. I think we need to give Mulvey the same amount of leeway we gave Walmsley, if not we will become even more of a poisoned chalice for prospective coaches.

What scares me is I cannot see our season getting any better from here, I cannot see us getting a win this season unless by some miracle. I am afraid for the future of our football club if horrific records keep tumbling. We will have to compete for players with WMG next season, we need to find a reason why we would be a better option for top NPL talent and frankly right now I cannot think of one. I am terrified for our future, I cannot see a way out of this.
 
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Ozhammer

Well-Known Member
It's becoming more & more apparent to me that whether Mulvey plays with either a back 3 or a back 4 it is his failure to play with a dedicated 'sitting DM' that is seriously causing problems with the way we play.

Tonight, O'Neil proved it !
- if only for small periods of time/play when he sat there ....... up until Mulvey had the dumb as dog-shit idea to take him off.

WTF !!?? ...

In previous games, whether we played a back 3 or 4, the Midfield has been one of 'rotations' in positional play, based on either:

- where are you / where is the ball ?
- left side / right side for both of the above
- have you just been part of an attack ?
..... then someone else has to drop to cover you because your still high.

This was highly noticeable with the 4 - 3 - 3 formation early on.

Some here will think Melling was taking on the role of holding DM ... BUT he would push forward multiple times leaving great wads of space in behind when he either lost it while carrying, failing to hit a pass/target OR flat out missed the tackle whilst higher up.

.... & because Mulvey is NOT playinga dedicated &/or instructing someone to screen in front of the defensive line - the distance between our midfield and back-line is there to exploit.
THIS

I have coached junior and senior teams for over 25 years now and when I have deployed a back 3, I ALWAYS have a dedicated holding midfielder (DM) behind two central AM’s. When the team is under heavy pressure the DM effectively becomes another CB but when it is on the front foot the DM can move forward to screen the defence and break up opposition counter attacks.

If I can work out an effective system at amateur level, surely a professional coach can do the same. I have honestly almost worn out the pause button on our Foxtel box freezing the play to explain to my wife why we can’t dominate games and continually cough up cheap goals.

I would be happy to give MM and Monty tips on formation tactics if they want them.
 

Wombat

Well-Known Member
Which brings us to the age old question - who would be around to do so?

Souths is a nice story but had the profile and famous rich fan/s to attract such a buyer.

Who wants to buy us?

I will stump up $10k+.....how many investors do we need to remove the cancer that is Pikey??
 

Wombat

Well-Known Member
The NZ commentators normally talk so much one-eyed shit (mostly that Jason Pine dick head) BUT even Harry Ngata, ex- NZ Intetnational, said
- 'the Mariners would be better off swutching to a back 4 with a 2-3-1 in front of that'

...... second best bit of analysus from them in years.

....... the first was that Mandi is being an 'udiot' & should just get-up and get on with the game.


Best commentary ive heard in years.....or yeers.
 

midfielder

Well-Known Member
I will stump up $10k+.....how many investors do we need to remove the cancer that is Pikey??

Buy out
Mem ----- Amt ----- Total
1,000 -- 10,000 -- 10,000,000

2,500 -- 4,000 -- 10,000,000

5,000 -- 2,000 -- 10,000,000

Running Cost
Mem ---- Amt --- Total
1,000 -- 3,000 -- 3,000,000

2,500 -- 1,200 -- 3,000,000

5,000 -- 600 -- 3,000,000
 

JoyfulPenguin

Well-Known Member
I will stump up $10k+.....how many investors do we need to remove the cancer that is Pikey??
Sadly don't think a community buy out is realistic, even if the cash could be stumped up to buy the club the running costs seem far too high to have anything resembling a competitive team.
 

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