Bullshite vs CCM away

[Ozhammer]

No game day thread as yet, so I thought we should start one given that we play them tomorrow.

If it wasn’t already, this has now become a must-win after Kisfknorbo decided to play his bloody reserve team against the Roar last night

Assuming that DDS pulled up ok after the $ity game, I am not expecting any radical changes but that begs the question: where are the goals going to come from?

As last season’s top scorer in the NPL is back with the team, would Matt Cahill be worth a punt off the bench seeing as Kuol’s head (and body) are arguably already in Stuttgart?

 

[JoyfulPenguin]

No game day thread as yet, so I thought we should start one given that we play them tomorrow.

If it wasn’t already, this has now become a must-win after Kisfknorbo decided to play his bloody reserve team against the Roar last night

Assuming that DDS pulled up ok after the $ity game, I am not expecting any radical changes but that begs the question: where are the goals going to come from?

As last season’s top scorer in the NPL is back with the team, would Matt Cahill be worth a punt off the bench seeing as Kuol’s head (and body) are arguably already in Stuttgart?

Not sure if that's fair to Kuol, I think we have really struggled to create any chances for him in recent times. Never watched Matt Cahill play but 2 goals in 9 appearances (7 of those coming off the bench) isn't an overly bad strike rate considering the Hong Kong top flight is professional and likely a step above NPL NSW 1/2.

 

[Capn Gus Bloodbeard]

Not sure if that's fair to Kuol, I think we have really struggled to create any chances for him in recent times. Never watched Matt Cahill play but 2 goals in 9 appearances (7 of those coming off the bench) isn't an overly bad strike rate considering the Hong Kong top flight is professional and likely a step above NPL NSW 1/2.

At what point do we place responsibility on the attacker to create chances for himself?
We need our AMs to set the ball up - but the strikers need to be finding the gaps to be played into.

 

[onto it]

Not sure if that's fair to Kuol, I think we have really struggled to create any chances for him in recent times. Never watched Matt Cahill play but 2 goals in 9 appearances (7 of those coming off the bench) isn't an overly bad strike rate considering the Hong Kong top flight is professional and likely a step above NPL NSW 1/2.

It sounds to me like the same excuses, for the poor strikers we heard last year.
For me, Kuol has potential but is showing he has a long way to go yet.

 

[true believer]

it's no use blaming kuol for not pulling a brace out of his arse
every week .
once again, we are getting nothing out of midfield. for various reasons .
no pace out wide , no quality balls for said strikers, to get onto.
we cant afford to play nizzy and dds together with our current system
we need 5 in the midfield with either janota or urena droping into our centre

 

[marinermick]

it's no use blaming kuol for not pulling a brace out of his arse
every week .
once again, we are getting nothing out of midfield. for various reasons .
no pace out wide , no quality balls for said strikers, to get onto.
we cant afford to play nizzy and dds together with our current system
we need 5 in the midfield with either janota or urena droping into our centre

I tend to agree with this but I think the general consensus is that Kuol is not as aggressive and driven as he was earlier in the season. He plucked goals out of his arse because of his pure will to win the ball. That has seem to be gone now.

 

[Big Al]

Look Koul makes things happen when he touches the ball. So we will just have to play him as DM. Simple

 

[JoyfulPenguin]

I tend to agree with this but I think the general consensus is that Kuol is not as aggressive and driven as he was earlier in the season. He plucked goals out of his arse because of his pure will to win the ball. That has seem to be gone now.

I mean he did do that, but he also had the significant advantage that other clubs weren't expecting him. I would argue that he is getting in similar positions as earlier in the season, just that our attacking midfield pairing hasn't been able to deliver anything to him. De Silva and Nisbet had next to no impact against City, while Kuol was in position (I could see from the away bay) and he recieved very little ball despite being in an advantageous position the overwhelming majority of the time. The only time he received the ball on Saturday night was when route one was utilised to get over City's press or from a pressurised cross into the box by Miller/Clisby with Good and Reis surrounding him.

 

[true believer]

Look Koul makes things happen when he touches the ball. So we will just have to play him as DM. Simple

play him on the wing and give him and open license like champness

 

[turbo]

and he recieved very little ball despite being in an advantageous position the overwhelming majority of the time

We are too slow in transition. Some of his best work has been on the break or where the long ball was actually on (and decently placed) but more often than not we take our time and let him get marked out of the game.

 

[style_cafe]

I tend to agree with this but I think the general consensus is that Kuol is not as aggressive and driven as he was earlier in the season. He plucked goals out of his arse because of his pure will to win the ball. That has seem to be gone now.

Accumulating yellow cards will do that to a player...

 

[Corsair]

Mariners Matchday Squad | Game 24 v Macarthur

The Mariners will take on Macarthur FC in a crucial clash on Thursday night in Campbelltown, and Alen Stajcic has confirmed the extended squad for the outing. Max Balard and Matthew Hatch have been added to the group of 18...

www.ccmariners.com.au

Janota not even in the squad....maybe he is shit after all!

This is not good:
Referee: Chris Beath

I was surprised to see Tongyik in the squad when the press release said he'd miss the remainder of this season's matches. Assume he'll miss the last 2 games?

 

[Michael]

play him on the wing and give him and open license like champness

he’d be wasted on the wing given he hasn’t showed any ability to take players on and dribble effectively
Alou’s X factor comes from his physicality

 

[marinermick]

Accumulating yellow cards will do that to a player...

Did the opposite for Matt Simon and cards were wiped a few weeks ago.

 

[JoyfulPenguin]

 

[style_cafe]

Did the opposite for Matt Simon and cards were wiped a few weeks ago.

Matty has had more cards than Pokemon, another few is like water off a ducks back.
Kuol is in his first full A League season so it`ll probably take him a while to get used to them...

 

[Forum Phoenix]

I tend to agree with this but I think the general consensus is that Kuol is not as aggressive and driven as he was earlier in the season. He plucked goals out of his arse because of his pure will to win the ball. That has seem to be gone now.

Agree. And there’s a number of reasons why that could be. But we don’t look like we’re really trying to find him either which isn’t helping. Though this past several weeks has also typically been us trying to play through already set defences as opposed to countering and hitting teams on the break and or playing more direct in general - where he scored the majority of his earlier goals.

He doesn’t look technical enough yet for the tighter link play - thigh a couple of times he has managed to provide good balls that could have been put away.

 

[Forum Phoenix]

Agree. And there’s a number of reasons why that could be. But we don’t look like we’re really trying to find him either which isn’t helping. Though this past several weeks has also typically been us trying to play through already set defences as opposed to countering and hitting teams on the break and or playing more direct in general - where he scored the majority of his earlier goals.

We are too slow in transition. Some of his best work has been on the break or where the long ball was actually on (and decently placed) but more often than not we take our time and let him get marked out of the game.

Yeah exactly this. Though I agree with others that he hasn’t looked as hungry or devil may care.

 

[Forum Phoenix]

Did the opposite for Matt Simon and cards were wiped a few weeks ago.

Great hit on Noone. Important too. Changed the game,

 

[turbo]

Importance of this game on finals standing can’t be overstated. A team we’re in direct competition with for a finals spot and a win would all but guarantee a finals spot due to the other match ups (Macarthur v nix, nix v Perth) so the team has to be completely up for this one.