Part_Timer
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foreign coaches...every team needs one
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Australia VS Oman
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foreign coaches...every team needs one
FFC Mariner
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James,
No arguement but are you happy with the dire shite Pim serves up?
Football is a product, if the flagship product is rubbish, people will turn off it and thats bad for the whole game.
You are at home, you have Kennedy, Kewell, Cahill, Emmo, Chippers and Culina (whiny bitch that he is) and you are outplayed as an attacking force?
Simply not good enough IMHO
No arguement but are you happy with the dire shite Pim serves up?
Football is a product, if the flagship product is rubbish, people will turn off it and thats bad for the whole game.
You are at home, you have Kennedy, Kewell, Cahill, Emmo, Chippers and Culina (whiny bitch that he is) and you are outplayed as an attacking force?
Simply not good enough IMHO
marinermick
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FFC Mariner said:
No different to watching Italy play for the past thirty years. Always do enough, most times score late in the game, and step up when they need.
I do not hear many people criticise the way the Italian national team play.
FFC Mariner
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Killing a game stone dead and nicking 1 goal to win it is very different from being carved up the way Australia were last night - as a defender, I love that.
Can you see Italy allowing those sorts of chances against a team ranked 60 places below them at home?
Can you see Italy allowing those sorts of chances against a team ranked 60 places below them at home?
dibo
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I'd say that the first point is that Oman aren't as bad as their ranking would suggest, just like we're not as good as our ranking would suggest.
In terms of simple individual technical ability, Oman had us done for. They played out from the back very comfortably and took the game to us. 'Carved up' is not the adjective I would use to describe our defensive performance mind you - they certainly had no more clear chances than us, and that they were even close was more because we simply don't have a genuine striker to be that outlet. We were one predatory striker away from having about five early.
As for Italy, funnily enough they had to come from 2 down in a WCQ this morning against Cyprus, who are ranked 72 places below them.
In terms of simple individual technical ability, Oman had us done for. They played out from the back very comfortably and took the game to us. 'Carved up' is not the adjective I would use to describe our defensive performance mind you - they certainly had no more clear chances than us, and that they were even close was more because we simply don't have a genuine striker to be that outlet. We were one predatory striker away from having about five early.
As for Italy, funnily enough they had to come from 2 down in a WCQ this morning against Cyprus, who are ranked 72 places below them.
I hear a hell of a lot of people critiscise the Italian's defensive style.marinermick said:
What I will admit is I dont think the Italian's themselves critiscise their style. Their public are happy as long as they get the results...
and in this sense perhaps we are a bit ungrateful as we are playing dire, but we are achieving the bottom line.
It's difficult. Not to mention we were spoilt by having someone like Guss as Pim's predecessor!
tbh if I wasnt Aussie, I probably would bemoan the NT more (like I do to Italy)- and I might not support them...
But I would like (as everyone wants) for them to regain that same spirit in 06- and the neutrals were quite fond of us then...but same problem- a different coach!
David Votoupal
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dibo said:
Ummm this is the guy who coached Deportivo La Corua to a La Liga title and Champions' League semis, not to mention his teams played fantastic football- I take it you didn't see their 4-0 win over Milan in 2004?
Part_Timer
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no for some reason our top players use first 20 numbers and fringe players started at like 80 haha
Forum Phoenix
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David Votoupal said:
David I watch a lot of football, too much to be honest without it being my profession, and I had no idea who Javier Irureta was either... I don't think thats a very strange thing. I can conduct a poll on the site of you like, but I'm pretty sure Dibo will be proved very much correct.
Re level of opponents -
My point still stands, we drew and beat the Dutch in the last twelve months. What about the Northern Ireland game? 2 all with Italy recently in a great game and yet under Pim we played a great game against them and soundly beat them.
"We failed to beat Indonesia, or score a goal against them. Guess what, Syria racked up 11 goals in 2 games against Indonesia in their WCQs."
Very specious argument, as all that game proved is that the A league elite squad played like utter garbage. Everyone knew it. And they admitted as such.
Ver Beek trying to blood A league players and rest the real roos against a weak team is not a coaching surprise or indicative of anything.
Yes I do think we could do better.
But so do Pim and the NT. And obviously thats waht tehy will be working for.
But I also like to appreciate what we have.
Pim is not a wax lyrical bullshit artist.
His style so far has been conservative, but he's honest with strength, weaknesses and disappointing performances and he's getting results. And the team respect him.
My only major complaint is I'd just like to see a 442 at home for a change, in line with FFC's product comment.
Everything said, I just don't think the level of your comments are justified.
And all its truly indicative of, like many of your other posts, is that you quite clearly have a pretty serious exotic coach fetish.
FFC Mariner
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Mmmmmmmmmm exotic coaches
FFC Mariner
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Seriously though, according to Wiki the guy has no bottle
Irureta quit as coach of Real Betis,[1][2]after the club's poor start to 200607, stepping down on December 21, 2006, after just seven months in charge. Irureta, who had a one-year contract, stated: "My contract has been rescinded by mutual agreement but I made the first move. We could have continued like this for much longer but it wasn't good".
In October 2007, Irureta put his name forward to be the new coach of English side Bolton Wanderers, but lost out in the running to Gary Megson, and was also touted by December as possible replacement for Real Sociedad's Chris Coleman.
Eventually, he took over at Real Zaragoza, replacing Vctor Fernndez.[3]However, on March 3, 2008, after merely one 1/2 months in charge, he resigned, arguing that never, as a manager, had he lost four games in a row, and that he did not feel up to the task of stopping the side's slump into the relegation zone (eventually, the Aragonese were relegated). He was quickly replaced by former Zaragoza goalkeeper Manolo Villanova, whom at the time coached Sociedad Deportiva Huesca.
Irureta quit as coach of Real Betis,[1][2]after the club's poor start to 200607, stepping down on December 21, 2006, after just seven months in charge. Irureta, who had a one-year contract, stated: "My contract has been rescinded by mutual agreement but I made the first move. We could have continued like this for much longer but it wasn't good".
In October 2007, Irureta put his name forward to be the new coach of English side Bolton Wanderers, but lost out in the running to Gary Megson, and was also touted by December as possible replacement for Real Sociedad's Chris Coleman.
Eventually, he took over at Real Zaragoza, replacing Vctor Fernndez.[3]However, on March 3, 2008, after merely one 1/2 months in charge, he resigned, arguing that never, as a manager, had he lost four games in a row, and that he did not feel up to the task of stopping the side's slump into the relegation zone (eventually, the Aragonese were relegated). He was quickly replaced by former Zaragoza goalkeeper Manolo Villanova, whom at the time coached Sociedad Deportiva Huesca.
Part_Timer
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Sounds Qaulity ...
David Votoupal
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It's Betis and Zaragoza we're talking about- not exactly the best-run clubs in Spain!
lol uPaolo said:
im referring to world cup win! (maybe Euro2000 finalists as well, USA 1994 etc.)
Is anyone going to complain on here if we make quarter finals this time?
Italy are similar in qualification to us, they are expected to make it- and when they play drab they are criticised.
They got a belting for confed's display (similar to what we whinged about our Asian cup display).
And yes- I compared us making quarters to them winning world cup- meh!
EDIT: When England get knocked out, when Italy does, when Argentina does (group stages most likely), and if we dont make it out of group stages...the knives are gonna be out.
For instance if Diego was somehow (I am unable to type this
) able to lead Argentina to the world cup- all the criticism would magically disappear, no matter how ugly they play (I did not enjoy the Uruguay match at all...and I used to love watching Argentina)
serious14
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Andrew - yes, I would like to see us be a bit more adventurous, but we've got a system that we've tailored to the personnel that we have (primarily Kennedy and Cahill), and at the moment, it's working. About the only thing I would change would be to make it some sort of 4-1-4-1 and get Culina away from DM.
Teams all over the world have their different systems, and some aren't that easy on the eye (1-0 to the Arsenal back in the day). But can you honestly say that ot too many Greeks would have been unhappy after the Euro 2004 final?? Or Brazilians after the '94 final??
Much like those teams, we can really only play with what we've got, and as much as I want to see Fat Macca play alongside Kennedy, he's had countless chances to prove he's worth a starting spot, and quite frankly, he isn't - he's a striker (i.e. paid to score goals) and he's just not banging them in.
Now as shocking as this sounds, I agree with Dibo re: Oman not beeing as shit as their ranking suggests. I still maintain that we underestimated them again (those who played against them in Thailand surely should have learnt their lesson) which would explain the performance on Wednesday night. It may have only been a subconcious thing, but really, put yourself in Cahill's, Kewell's, Neill's - anyone's boots really, and you see "Oman" on the fixture list, 4 days after you held the Dutch to 0-0. As much as you're going to try not to, surely you'd think "hell yeah, this will be easy".
Look at all those away games in the Middle East where we've gone "yep, we'll nick a goal or two and bring home the 3 points". Oops.....
Teams all over the world have their different systems, and some aren't that easy on the eye (1-0 to the Arsenal back in the day). But can you honestly say that ot too many Greeks would have been unhappy after the Euro 2004 final?? Or Brazilians after the '94 final??
Much like those teams, we can really only play with what we've got, and as much as I want to see Fat Macca play alongside Kennedy, he's had countless chances to prove he's worth a starting spot, and quite frankly, he isn't - he's a striker (i.e. paid to score goals) and he's just not banging them in.
Now as shocking as this sounds, I agree with Dibo re: Oman not beeing as shit as their ranking suggests. I still maintain that we underestimated them again (those who played against them in Thailand surely should have learnt their lesson) which would explain the performance on Wednesday night. It may have only been a subconcious thing, but really, put yourself in Cahill's, Kewell's, Neill's - anyone's boots really, and you see "Oman" on the fixture list, 4 days after you held the Dutch to 0-0. As much as you're going to try not to, surely you'd think "hell yeah, this will be easy".
Look at all those away games in the Middle East where we've gone "yep, we'll nick a goal or two and bring home the 3 points". Oops.....
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