• Join ccmfans.net

    ccmfans.net is the Central Coast Mariners fan community, and was formed in 2004, so basically the beginning of time for the Mariners. Things have changed a lot over the years, but one thing has remained constant and that is our love of the Mariners. People come and go, some like to post a lot and others just like to read. It's up to you how you participate in the community!

    If you want to get rid of this message, simply click on Join Now or head over to https://www.ccmfans.net/community/register/ to join the community! It only takes a few minutes, and joining will let you post your thoughts and opinions on all things Mariners, Football, and whatever else pops into your mind. If posting is not your thing, you can interact in other ways, including voting on polls, and unlock options only available to community members.

    ccmfans.net is not only for Mariners fans either. Most of us are bonded by our support for the Mariners, but if you are a fan of another club (except the Scum, come on, we need some standards), feel free to join and get into some banter.

ACL 09 - the who, the what, the where.

Atomic

Well-Known Member
FFC Mariner said:
Redline said:
but it means nothing. The raw numbers are what the average joe looks at. I couldn't give a rats about the 'adjusted for population figure' because to me it's just a way of explaining away low attendance figures.

You must be a marketers dream - accept the raw numbers blindly against every basic principle of Statistics.

I think it's difficult to compare crowd numbers from different regions of Asia. I tend to agree about raw numbers being important - but only when you're comparing apples with apples. $$$wise, surely it must be more attractive for a sponsor to support a team like Melbourne over the CCM becasue they have a larger supporter baseline figure. If you compare the membership numbers per capita the CCM would come out on top... but IMO, that's a moot point.

You can't compare our ACL crowd number with one from the Middle East because, population numbers aside, there are cultural and economics issues that I'm sure we have little appreciation of. C'mon, 507 to the Al-Gharafa game??? There has to be a serious reason for that. Maybe they are blaming losing their last 5 games, not recruiting a big name, playing a boring style of football, poor condition of the pitch, disconnection with local community etc, etc.

Apologies in advance if I have missed the point of this discussion... I have a history of not picking up on FFC's irony (it's a cultural thing  ;D )
 

FFC Mariner

Well-Known Member
Not at all, my point is simply that if you just list crowds (or almost anything else) from High to Low you are likely to get a distorted picture of reality.

Thats like comparing the number of Burgers sold at say Macca's in George St and Macca's somewhere in the bush and then deciding which manager runs the best store.

I would think a reasonable baseline would be average regualr season attendances (ie, did you draw more or less? and by how much in % terms)
 

greenlion

Well-Known Member
after the first two rounds of ACL, the C/K/J clubs head to head results in Asian tournaments is now like this:

CSL W19 D12 L20 J-League
K-League W19 D8 L12 CSL
K-League W23 D14 L18 J-League

in April we'll see a rival between K-League & CSL, as clubs from the two leagues plays head to head matchs against each other, very interesting schedule

April 7
19:00 E Ulsan Hyundai Horang-i    Beijing Guoan
20:00 G Shanghai Shenhua    Suwon Bluewings

April 8
15:30 F Shandong Luneng  FC Seoul
19:00 H Pohang Steelers    Tianjin Teda

April 21
19:00 F FC Seoul    Shandong Luneng
20:00 H Tianjin Teda    Pohang Steeler

April 22
19:00 G Suwon Bluewings    Shanghai Shenhua
20:00 E Beijing Guoan    Ulsan Hyundai Horang-i
 

Rowdy

Well-Known Member
Atomic said:
surely it must be more attractive for a sponsor to support a team like Melbourne over the CCM becasue they have a larger supporter baseline figure.

imo, the number of 'members' a particular club has compared to another in the same competition wouldn't enter the equation when deciding on 'which' team to throw my sponsorship $$$'s at if i were a CEO.

Firstly, I'd b looking at which team will provide the 'most' number of exposures, via image/s, & is going to get my company's name on the idiot box, newspaper, magazines, webpages etc and to the most number of viewers, in particular to a target audience that would be interested in my company's product or services.

Mariners FTW! 2 GF's, PSC, Premiers 07/08, Playing in the ACL  :tv:just to start with. Don't understand why a Sony, LG or Toyota, Kia etc don't capitalise on the exposure they could get from us in the cross Australian/Asian market  :headbutt: Hell a company of these magnatudes could 'pick whatever' marquee suits their own ceo's personal fancy. :popcorn:

Secondly, is the clubs 'corporate image', again CCM FTW! with their 'community' image already an adnauseum in journalistic catch-phrases.

Dylan Macallister would be a marketer's 'dream' image throughout Asia imo, massive picture of him on the sides of buildings like they do with Nakamura etc in Japan. You could see him, all 'Thor' like with his blonde aussie herculan frame with DMAC branding underneath.

Sure big Dyl is not a household name over there, but could be if we do alright. Similarly just look at the 'love' that Ryan Griffiths gets from his supporters, a big reason for his sack-wacking sibling moving over there imo, he wants the admiration more than anything else.

"Brothers Grimm", they'll be hoping to keep Joel after the ACL, now that's a fairytale.
 

kevrenor

Well-Known Member
Quick, lock up the Bundy Bear, Pocari Sweat is coming
SMH online - March 28, 2009

Soccer's drive to deliver "clean" stadiums to international sponsors is coming at the expense of local companies, writes Julian Lee.

WHEN Australia meets Uzbekistan in Homebush on Wednesday, it will not be at ANZ Stadium but at Stadium Australia, Panasonic's branding on the giant television screen will be obscured in deference to a competitor and the Bundy Bear will be locked away in a cupboard.

The chance for those brands to get before a 60,000-strong crowd there to watch what will be a pivotal qualifying game for next year's World Cup will be lost.

It is all part of a drive by soccer's governing bodies to deliver "clean" stadiums to its international sponsors, at the expense of local companies who struggle to negotiate an increasingly complex sponsorship landscape.

In January 2008 ANZ took over the naming rights from Telstra to the stadium in Sydney Olympic Park. It will pay $31 million over seven years for the privilege.

Before the match FIFA is forcing ANZ to relinquish its naming rights and strip its branding from tickets, ringside advertising and signage. Branding by stadium sponsors such as Bundaberg Rum, Energy Australia and Tooheys New will disappear to accommodate FIFA's sponsors, which include Adidas, Emirates and Sony . Coca-Cola - a sponsor of both - is the only one that will remain intact.

Venues for the Asian Champions League - which fields two Australian teams - must also deliver clean venues. But rights enforcement does not stop at a stadium being shorn of its naming rights, as happened this month when the beer brand Bluetongue was dropped from the Central Coast Stadium's name.

When the South Korean team, the Pohang Steelers, came to Gosford earlier this month, to play the Central Coast Mariners, even the branding on the Sunbeam kettles and Westinghouse fridges in the corporate hospitality boxes had to be obscured.

"We had to deliver a completely clean stadium. I had to go around taping up the kettles and the fridges. It's ridiculous, but that is what we have to do," says Monique Marks, the stadium's managing director.

Many of the Asian league's sponsors such as Nike, Toyota and Emirates will be familiar to Australians. Others such as the Pocari Sweat water brand, Qtel and Qatar Petroleum will not.

But it is not Australian eyeballs that are at stake here but Asian ones. "They are coming at it from a broadcast perspective. It's really about their ability to deliver sponsors an uncluttered environment for television," says Andrew Condon, a senior consultant with sponsorship advisers Gemba Group.

The Asian matches are beamed into million of homes in Asia. Ringside advertising by local sponsors who are of no value to an Asian audience would only clutter that ad environment.

The issue of sponsor conflicts first became a major issue for the 2003 Rugby World Cup when the code's international body demanded clean stadiums for what was meant to be a trans-Tasman event. New Zealand's inability to comply with that request left the door open for Australia to be the sole host and reap the dividends.

The number of international matches that require clean stadiums is still small, but Condon says that will change as more Australian teams compete globally. "That will only continue to erode the value for local sponsors," he says.

A pecking order is emerging. As a FIFA sponsor Coca-Cola, for example, takes precedence over Schweppes, which is a Football Federation of Australia sponsor. So when it comes to a World Cup qualifier it's Solo 0, Coke 1.

Some venues are unhappy about having to roll over. Management at the newly named Etihad Stadium - which is in the middle of a stoush with the AFL over whether the Melbourne stadium should be named after an airline or its location in the city's Docklands - have hinted they might push back. A spokesman said that in the nine years of the stadium's life it has not given up the venue's naming rights for a single event. During the Rugby World Cup, Telstra managed to cut a deal to preserve its naming rights at Telstra Dome. A spokesman for the site's owner, Melbourne Stadiums Ltd, says it expects to stage more large-scale international matches. The next one is in June. But will it relinquish its naming rights to say Emirates, a global FIFA sponsor?

"We will deal with this issue when or if it arises. We have good relations with FIFA and the Asian Champions League hirers and we expect we can work our way through any issues which might emerge," the spokesman says.

ANZ Stadium acknowledges that to net large matches there is a trade-off between its local sponsors and the prestige - and the cash - that comes with staging a World Cup match.

Tony Partridge, general manager commercial of ANZ Stadium, says such events are flagged during negotiations and are factored into the price. As for its sponsors, they are being "understanding", he says in a statement.

"They all have sophisticated brand managers that understand the industry of sport and appreciate that it is much better to secure these events than not," says Partridge, adding that Bundy Rum and Tooheys New will still be on sale on the night. "For years to come people will recall the magic moment when Australia qualified for the World Cup again at ANZ Stadium regardless of the name on the door on the night." And doubtless will do so enjoying Pocari Sweat ads.
 

clarence

Well-Known Member
I think it's fair that if a game is run by the AFC that they have the right to say who is going to gain maximum exposure to the broader TV audience with their advertising.

However, at the start of any tournament (like the AFC-CL, or a start to the year for WC qualifying) local advertisers should be given the option to buy into the AFC branding or not.

If they don't buy in, they cannot complain if a game is later held at one of the venues they have major sponsorship/ advertising invested in - and are told to provide a clean stadium and even place a competitors logo up where their's should be.

ANZ, Bundy, Etihad etc. all could have made a call to the FFA and got in contact with the AFC about whether they could get involved and retain their advertising signage or even their name for the stadium (in the case of ANZ & Etihad). The stadium management are quite happy to take the dollars for hosting the game, and they have a responsibility to spell the clean stadium policy out to prospective sponsors at  their stadium and what that means.

I bet the AFC drive a very hard bargain for any sponsorship up til now, but with all that's been happening in the last 6 - 12 months globally, I bet there will be spaces available for Australian based corporates to buy into, in the near future.
 

FFC Mariner

Well-Known Member
This happens in the minor codes too.

At the Beldisloe cup game at ANZ last year, Suncorp pulled sponsors rights and a lot of the stadium sponsorship, ANZ logos etc were covered up
 

marinersman

Well-Known Member
It's a FIFA event and they have obviously stipulated via legal processes their sponsors must be displayed. Quite reasonable in my opinion and standard practice.

LOL at Monique Marks complaining about having to tape up kettles. Why does she disappear never to be seen or heard, when BT have delivered a shit surface for the entire 08/09 HAL season? I'd like to comment on that.
 

~Floss~

Well-Known Member
On the positive side of things, removal of the signage on the fence in front of bay 16 means there is now a great place to hang banners without obscuring advertising.
 

Roy Law

Well-Known Member
"But it is not Australian eyeballs that are at stake here but Asian ones" - so that's why there has been zero promotion of the game against Kawasaki - it's not supposed to be watched by Central Coast fans but only Asian ones! Perhaps the game is being promoted in the South China Post, its certainly not being promoted in the Express Advocate (although there have been two full page ads for South Sydney in last two weeks)
 

FFC Mariner

Well-Known Member
marinersman said:
LOL at Monique Marks complaining about having to tape up kettles. Why does she disappear never to be seen or heard, when BT have delivered a shit surface for the entire 08/09 HAL season? I'd like to comment on that.

Ex Bears employee inherited by Singo - NRL to her bootstraps
 

marinersman

Well-Known Member
FFC Mariner said:
marinersman said:
LOL at Monique Marks complaining about having to tape up kettles. Why does she disappear never to be seen or heard, when BT have delivered a shit surface for the entire 08/09 HAL season? I'd like to comment on that.

Ex Bears employee inherited by Singo - NRL to her bootstraps

I didn't know that but probably should have realised it. I sincerely hope we aquire management rights one day.
 

Omni

Well-Known Member
marinersman said:
FFC Mariner said:
marinersman said:
LOL at Monique Marks complaining about having to tape up kettles. Why does she disappear never to be seen or heard, when BT have delivered a shit surface for the entire 08/09 HAL season? I'd like to comment on that.

Ex Bears employee inherited by Singo - NRL to her bootstraps

I didn't know that but probably should have realised it. I sincerely hope we aquire management rights one day.
I don't care about management rights, I just want a good surface! Playing on Terrigal Beach would be better!
 

Rowdy

Well-Known Member
FFC Mariner said:
marinersman said:
LOL at Monique Marks complaining about having to tape up kettles. Why does she disappear never to be seen or heard, when BT have delivered a shit surface for the entire 08/09 HAL season? I'd like to comment on that.

Ex Bears employee inherited by Singo - NRL to her bootstraps

Does have links with Football.

When I was team manager of CC United, which was coached by former Socceroo & current Syd Fc  NYL Asst. Coach Grant Lee,. Lee's then assistant coach, Tony 'the tosser Pezzano (ex Syd City Goalkeeper) told me Monique was Lee's cousin.

Then again could have been more bullshit from the Pezzano gob, occurred frequently. :vomit:
 

clarence

Well-Known Member
FFC Mariner said:
marinersman said:
LOL at Monique Marks complaining about having to tape up kettles. Why does she disappear never to be seen or heard, when BT have delivered a shit surface for the entire 08/09 HAL season? I'd like to comment on that.

Ex Bears employee inherited by Singo - NRL to her bootstraps

She, who was shitscared of the CSE...... pathetic bitch, has her head full of political correctness & 'family orientation'. Sack her if she's whingeing about the fact that stadium has a bloody game to put on.
 

kevrenor

Well-Known Member
clarence said:
FFC Mariner said:
marinersman said:
LOL at Monique Marks complaining about having to tape up kettles. Why does she disappear never to be seen or heard, when BT have delivered a shit surface for the entire 08/09 HAL season? I'd like to comment on that.

Ex Bears employee inherited by Singo - NRL to her bootstraps

She, who was shitscared of the CSE...... pathetic bitch, has her head full of political correctness & 'family orientation'. Sack her if she's whingeing about the fact that stadium has a bloody game to put on.

Clarsh Clarence  :p
 

clarence

Well-Known Member
Yeah, may well be harsh words, but people like her - in the job she has - should be glad that there's work to be done instead of whingeing about meeting a major client's requirements.

If she stuck her head out the window, and saw the For Sale/ For Lease signs around Gosford, the Central Coast and elsewhere, of businesses having to decide what to do past June this year etc. it might dawn on her that the work she is grumbling about is keeping her gainfully employed. I know 10 ex co workers that would love to be able to keep busy by preparing a venue.

I bet she wasn't whingeing if she had to take down signage or logos that clashed with the NRL's business sponsors.
 

Online statistics

Members online
54
Guests online
815
Total visitors
869

Forum statistics

Threads
6,737
Messages
382,579
Members
2,715
Latest member
ForzaFred
Top