Let danny townsend know he is a stooge

[Aaron]

He is still there though, blatant breach of confidentiality. Would this happen in say the Premier League?

 

[turbo]

Think you guys are getting too worked up over it. Danny's appointment was well received across the aus football scene, Sydney is a well run club, he knows the league and Aus football inside out and you'd be hard pressed to find a better candidate that didnt already have some sort of allegiance to an A league team. There's no indication he has or would act in a biased way towards Sydney.

 

[FFC Mariner]

Doesnt have to be does he? Hopefully the filthy Russian money that keeps them going is stopped by the Government.

 

[Man Overboard]

russian mafia sock puppet is gunna put it right !
let the bastard know how shit the A-league has become

A friend used to umpire A grade cricket in Sydney and mentioned that at the end of each game the umpires performance was graded by both sides. The better umpires were recognised as unbiased and knowledgeable, and were promoted to higher quality games. Perhaps such a system could apply to football referees. It seems to be a closed shop with a limited number of officials whose ability is often questionable. There should be progression and demotion. On the VAR, I thought it was for clear and obvious errors. If so, then it shouldn't take so long to review a decision- it should be very clear and obvious if there was an error on the tape-scrolling back and forth looking for a second contact that may/not be there and with the limited number of views provided by Paramount cameras is just not good enough.

 

[bikinigirl]

. i am going to go against the grain here and say the time taken to make the review decision was not the problem ... it was how that time was used - particularly for the second incident

. there was more than enough time for the referees boss to get on the comms and tell Evans that if he didn't walk back out and reverse his decision he would be out of a job by the morning

. i mean the first incident would have provided enough evidence that it was gonna take forever and that he was still going to get it wrong

 

[Man Overboard]

. i mean the first incident would have provided enough evidence that it was gonna take forever and that he was still going to get it wrong

You're looking at it all wrong BikiniGirl, they take their time reviewing so that Paramount can sneak a couple of adverts in

 

[booney]

You're looking at it all wrong BikiniGirl, they take their time reviewing so that Paramount can sneak a couple of adverts in

You may have hit the nail on the head.Maybe those VAR calls to Evans were only to free up ad time and they told him we don't really give a f**k what decision you made as it is only the Mariners as long as you prolong the time .O how cynical we are !!

 

[bikinigirl]

You may have hit the nail on the head.Maybe those VAR calls to Evans were only to free up ad time and they told him we don't really give a f**k what decision you made as it is only the Mariners as long as you prolong the time .O how cynical we are !!

. funny i don't remember ads during the 106 minutes he was staring at the screen:

• i do remember PK repeatedly telling him what to do on the first one ... maybe my P+ stream was just caught in a loop while everybody else went to their ad breaks
• and on the second one i remember seeing Evans repeatedly sticking his finger on the screen ... as if to say 'if i hold my finger right here on the screen i can't see any contact'

 

[booney]

There were no ads because even the ad programmers who probably know stuff all about football couldn't believe Evans' decisions and were too stunned to use the time to put the ads on!!

As for his finger he probably had it over Leckie's and Miller's connecting boots .

 

[turbo]

This is going to be really hard to digest but stick with me guys because I think it’ll help with the ads issue. First look at the calendar, is it a Saturday? If yes check the kick off time - is it 7:45pm? If you answered yes to both questions there may be an ad break in the game. If not then it’s just players rolling around or officials being useless. Hope that helps.

 

[Ironbark]

. funny i don't remember ads during the 106 minutes he was staring at the screen:

• i do remember PK repeatedly telling him what to do on the first one ... maybe my P+ stream was just caught in a loop while everybody else went to their ad breaks
• and on the second one i remember seeing Evans repeatedly sticking his finger on the screen ... as if to say 'if i hold my finger right here on the screen i can't see any contact'

Yeah no ads for me during it either. Just f'ing Diknose-norbo rasping loudly and without drawing a breath into his ear. I wanted to punch him

 

[Man Overboard]

. funny i don't remember ads during the 106 minutes he was staring at the screen:

• i do remember PK repeatedly telling him what to do on the first one ... maybe my P+ stream was just caught in a loop while everybody else went to their ad breaks
• and on the second one i remember seeing Evans repeatedly sticking his finger on the screen ... as if to say 'if i hold my finger right here on the screen i can't see any contact'

Nah, no ads, it was tongue in cheek, but I wouldn't put it past them

 

[Tevor]

So no response yet from the APL on the use of FA referees in the A League. Surely they can influence the decision on what to do with Evans so why not make it public unless the Gutless "Good Bloke" Townsend is just hot air and no action. You have failed APL, no different to the FA stooges just a different song before the games.

 

[Capn Gus Bloodbeard]

A friend used to umpire A grade cricket in Sydney and mentioned that at the end of each game the umpires performance was graded by both sides. The better umpires were recognised as unbiased and knowledgeable, and were promoted to higher quality games. Perhaps such a system could apply to football referees.

Years ago, back when I was in the coast, they introduced this in the Central Coast because apparently all the teams wanted it. I think after a month, only 4 teams had submitted one...

They actually do this in England, but it introduces its own problem.

First and obvious one is that people who know nothing about refereeing and the laws are assessing others on the laws and refereeing - you end up with a common problem where referees get marked badly because it's the manager who doesn't understand the laws. How many players out there are still adamant that you can't say 'mine', or that you can't 'play the ball from the ground'? there are plenty of decisions which people aren't necessarily going to understand... Why was this apparent push in the back penalised but not that one (eg the difference between when a player is standing still or not)? What about that shirt pull where the referee was the only person on the field who spotted it because everybody else is watching the ball? So on and so forth....

So, aside from that, it also leads to the situation where referees learn to referee to what decisions are easier to accept by managers, rather than having the courage to referee what's correct.

And that's the culture of refereeing over there - which, again, is partly why I think big club bias is such a thing there (which is why I think Jared will do well there). The easy decision takes precedence over the correct one. Heck, sometimes you get a situation where both teams are calling for the same decision, and both teams are dead wrong. The problem with the manager grading system, is that it encourages the referees to go with the wrong, but easier to accept, decision.

Having said that, I was a committee member with the referees a long, long time ago. While the usual 'this ref was shit rah rah rah' complaints were pretty much ignored, occasionally we'd hear a piece of feedback that would suggest a ref might, say, not know the laws (not just 'he thought I handled it when I didn't' but 'awarded an indirect free kick for handling' or something like that - actual law knowledge, or something else of concern. Feedback is good because then, if it was a first year, we could send a mentor out - or for a more senior one, we could consider whether they're overdue for an assessment.

So, there can be some benefit in manager feedback - if there are consistently good or poor reports, then maybe we need to look at them, but it can be problematic too.

In saying that, I believe that in England, it actually has some weighting in determining promotions. Perhaps the better approach would be to have it, but not use it for promotions.

Having said that, it was always acknowledged as a problem that the referees association was largely operating blind with the conduct of its referees. Everyone would be assessed twice a year (I think 3 times for first grade), but 2 single games isn't much - and we all know some refs are completely different when they know they're being assessed. Aside from that, you're running off word of mouth - the grapevine, what you hear from when referees work together as ref/AR.

 

[FFC Mariner]

I think we need to be careful not to get away from the facts of the other night.

VAR did its job - called out to the onfield ref that he was wrong
Ref did what he could to ignore them

This is down to the ego and arrogance of 1 man - Evans. Not VAR, not FA. Evans

 

[Ironbark]

Totally agreed. This is not a VAR issue. It's a ref actively doing his job wrong and having a real impact.

Macca said it in the commentary - peoples' jobs/careers are on the line and this matters - players, coaches etc.

 

[Capn Gus Bloodbeard]

True, though I'm still stunned that KGJ actually did something right

Evans is certainly arrogant - they all are, and that's because assessors love arrogant refs - but he's never been somebody afraid of making the tough call. Not necessarily the right tough call

I do think the time taken is problematic, though I've also never subscribed to the idea that 'if you can't see it in 10 seconds it isn't clear and obvious'. Sure, sometimes it can take a while to 'see' something...like a magic eye......but one the other hand, sure, if you're stuck in an indecision loop then that's probably a good indication you need to stick with your original decision.

Given that making decisions like this is so far removed from making live decisions, I honestly think they should have some psychologist-led coaching around decision making processes, not to mention to look at other issues (I've mentioned on here before that I have concerns that showing the still of the point of contact when the ref is approaching the VAR IPAD could possible influence the decision).

Of course, that doesn't address the other issues of, say, allowing people to scream at him while he's making the decision.

 

[ccf]

I have it on good authority that KGJ was screaming at Evans that it was a penalty so VAR definitely was doing its job.

 

[Tevor]

True, though I'm still stunned that KGJ actually did something right

Evans is certainly arrogant - they all are, and that's because assessors love arrogant refs - but he's never been somebody afraid of making the tough call. Not necessarily the right tough call

I do think the time taken is problematic, though I've also never subscribed to the idea that 'if you can't see it in 10 seconds it isn't clear and obvious'. Sure, sometimes it can take a while to 'see' something...like a magic eye......but one the other hand, sure, if you're stuck in an indecision loop then that's probably a good indication you need to stick with your original decision.

Given that making decisions like this is so far removed from making live decisions, I honestly think they should have some psychologist-led coaching around decision making processes, not to mention to look at other issues (I've mentioned on here before that I have concerns that showing the still of the point of contact when the ref is approaching the VAR IPAD could possible influence the decision).

Of course, that doesn't address the other issues of, say, allowing people to scream at him while he's making the decision.

KGJ is no dope, he knows both where clearly the wrong decisions. A smart Ref has an impact in less dramatic circumstances like allowing fouls that should be YC's not be etc. So Evans is not very smart in that he chose two very open and easy decisions to get wrong. Even people who are not avid followers of the game can tell he got them wrong.

I've said it before, there is clearly nothing in place to hold the officials accountable and that still seems to be the case now. Evans knew he could make these decisions and screw us over and nothing would happen to him. This is what needs to change and then I wouldn't be surprised to also see Ams become less obvious in his bias against us. They need to have some skin in the game, make a terrible decision and pay the consequences.

 

[Tevor]

I have it on good authority that KGJ was screaming at Evans that it was a penalty so VAR definitely was doing its job.

Yep I like most don't see this as a VAR problem but I'm not defending the process as it still has many problems. The VAR by all accounts worked as it should. Evans is 100% at fault and is also to blame for the amount of time to review the footage. All camera angles appeared more than adequate in both instances. We have all seen the footage there wasn't issues with available footage.