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R23: Sydney FC v CCM at Allianz

Pirate Pete

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I agree Recky. Our final third is just not happening. But then again it hasn't for a while.

Ivan did well last night. Enough I think that if the club know Izzo is off to keep his place for the season.
Just a thought, but could Ivan might be around next season. Could he even be goalkeeper coach?
I did think the other week that Ivan had given up. Never came out for a kick about at half time.
Nor did he seem to warm up with the others during the game.
 

BrisRecky

I'm an idiot savant without the pesky savant bit
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BrisRecky

I'm an idiot savant without the pesky savant bit
as far as Roy, and even Monty, goes , if you don't know if your boss wants you around OR his f**king you about with negotiations , why bust your arse for him
 

pjennings

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I don't know that Roy or Bingers really got any quality ball. so what you want about Arnie but he does no how to stifle opposing teams attacks
 

Capn Gus Bloodbeard

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I agree Recky. Our final third is just not happening. But then again it hasn't for a while.

Ivan did well last night. Enough I think that if the club know Izzo is off to keep his place for the season.
Just a thought, but could Ivan might be around next season. Could he even be goalkeeper coach?
I did think the other week that Ivan had given up. Never came out for a kick about at half time.
Nor did he seem to warm up with the others during the game.
Why coach rather than keeper?
and whether Okon wants to let Izzo keep playing or give somebody more experience may well depend on how important the top 6 is. But I would say that if we have a decent 2nd string keeper, why not keep them going - it's not like this season matters, really (except for not getting the spoon)

Didn't watch the game, but watching the highlights - as commentators say "Galloway gets caught ball watching" Hasn't "[defender] gets caught ball watching" been the story of our season?

Highlights only show one angle, but I'm not convinced the pen was a foul - looks like Ibini just got himself in front of the defender and left the defender no chance to react.

Good to see Ivan doing really well, especially despite that early goal (which he had no chance to stop). Getting the callup and conceding a goal in 8 minutes could have hurt his confidence for the rest of the game - good on him
 
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Pirate Pete

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Why coach rather than keeper?
and whether Okon wants to let Izzo keep playing or give somebody more experience may well depend on how important the top 6 is. But I would say that if we have a decent 2nd string keeper, why not keep them going - it's not like this season matters, really (except for not getting the spoon)

Didn't watch the game, but watching the highlights - as commentators say "Galloway gets caught ball watching" Hasn't "[defender] gets caught ball watching" been the story of our season?

Highlights only show one angle, but I'm not convinced the pen was a foul - looks like Ibini just got himself in front of the defender and left the defender no chance to react.

Good to see Ivan doing really well, especially despite that early goal (which he had no chance to stop). Getting the callup and conceding a goal in 8 minutes could have hurt his confidence for the rest of the game - good on him

On last nights display I would have him as goalkeeper next year. He's 37, so could have a couple or more seasons left.
The reason I mentioned coach was because I thought coming to the end of his career it might be something
he's looking for. Just checked Nash is only 35.
 

Forum Phoenix

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Why coach rather than keeper?
and whether Okon wants to let Izzo keep playing or give somebody more experience may well depend on how important the top 6 is. But I would say that if we have a decent 2nd string keeper, why not keep them going - it's not like this season matters, really (except for not getting the spoon)

Didn't watch the game, but watching the highlights - as commentators say "Galloway gets caught ball watching" Hasn't "[defender] gets caught ball watching" been the story of our season?

Highlights only show one angle, but I'm not convinced the pen was a foul - looks like Ibini just got himself in front of the defender and left the defender no chance to react.

Good to see Ivan doing really well, especially despite that early goal (which he had no chance to stop). Getting the callup and conceding a goal in 8 minutes could have hurt his confidence for the rest of the game - good on him

His eyes were on the ball, but to be fair to Galloway, they all got pulled too narrow, you could have thrown a blanket over both CB's and LB, and as for Roux he is almost always too narrow. Dream job as a left winger playing against him as far as I'm concerned... you can consistently bring the ball down in space, get several free yards to get some pace on and run at him, or time to whip it in or play a triangle... it's happened all year. In comparison, Bingham/Pain/Appiah/Trent had to work for every yard last night against SFC. And the cross.. You also have to say, it was a very high quality delivery by Zullo, but that ball shouldn't come in so easily at the very least not without some semblance of real pressure - just like the cross for the header against the scum - which Roux could quite easily have closed down any possibility of.

Anyway, it was exactly the kind of quality balls we need and more of the same anticipatory runs by our own attackers to the post as well. I think Okon has improved us in so many ways, but for mine that final ball with someone always making the run to near post, far post, and for a cut back is sorely missing. More often than not they still don't know where each other are, or will be, and they don't look, or by the time they do it's too late... bottom line, we consistently still get it wrong and waste our build up play.

Positives, I think McGing continues to grow and so does Appiah and Rosey is kicking ass and taking names.
Ivan was great. Never quite understood the grief SFC fans gave him and some of our own fans on his signing, don't think he's legitimately earned it. Unlikely to ever set the league on fire, but we can do worse, and besides his shot stopping etc, some calm and experience last night between the sticks was good for us I thought. Justice on the Bernie pen too i think. Never a pen for mine.
Bingham did well, (Boy Pain looked PISSED at Bingham starting over him) but I still think its pretty clear he isn't a winger - he's a striker, his hold up play is of far more value higher up and centrally, he's far more dangerous if he's in the box for crosses. I'm a Roy fan, but I think there's an argument to say Bignham up front could offer as just as much if in different ways. Not convinced that Roy combines that well for others, I've held others accountable mostly for the breakdown before, but after last night, starting to think he's also part of the problem, was not even looking and could have put it all but on a plate twice for another player.
 

JoyfulPenguin

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Bingham made terrific runs and went unrewarded all night. Roy contributed near nothing, his positioning was all wrong and so was Fabio's but I guess that's what you get with a new formation. Disagree about Appiah Phoenix, I thought he had two good passages and for the rest of the game his touch, technique and positioning let him down. Having been watching quite a bit of NPLV recently there are better players technically and just as quick there. McGing was terrific defensively but once again struggled to be a link between the defence and midfield, Monty was similar but had one or two good balls. Personally think it was a penalty, if a soft one, Ibini played for it but Rose's timing was pretty poor. Rose and Posco were fantastic defensively but teams have worked out that Posco can't pass and are sitting off him and pressing Rose. Storm was his usual self, good going forward and rather average defensively, he missed having a winger pushed back to support him. Galloway had a great game, apart from his positioning on the goal, worked tirelessly and in the second half was really the only player linking defence and attack. What a game Ivan! Good on him for showing up the bastards that booed him. Deserves the spot next week and if he can continue this form he will be making quite the stake for the number one spot next year.
 

JoyfulPenguin

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Video interview with Ivan along with some of Okon's thoughts on his performance by SBS:
http://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/article/2017/03/11/necevski-gives-okon-selection-conundrum

Daily Telegrah's review of the game:
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sp...s/news-story/0e730d9339d3e70fc7b5bcaa9a0b170c

Sydney Morning Herald with a focus mostly on the state of the pitch:
http://www.smh.com.au/sport/soccer/...-after-loss-to-sydney-fc-20170310-guvurk.html

A-League website's report on the game along with match stats:
http://www.a-league.com.au/article/...-past-central-coast/uspzw8nxtx681gtroz3f0yty5
 

Wombat

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Bingham made terrific runs and went unrewarded all night. I WASNT CONVINCED. Roy contributed near nothing, his positioning was all wrong and so was Fabio's but I guess that's what you get with a new formation.
Disagree about Appiah Phoenix, I thought he had two good passages and for the rest of the game his touch, technique and positioning let him down. AGREE.


Having been watching quite a bit of NPLV recently there are better players technically and just as quick there. McGing was terrific defensively but once again struggled to be a link between the defence and midfield, AGREE. Monty was similar but had one or two good balls. Personally think it was a penalty, if a soft one, Ibini played for it but Rose's timing was pretty poor. DISAGREE, never a penalty.
Rose and Posco were fantastic defensively but teams have worked out that Posco can't pass and are sitting off him and pressing Rose. Storm was his usual self, good going forward and rather average defensively, he missed having a winger pushed back to support him.

Galloway had a great game, apart from his positioning on the goal, worked tirelessly and in the second half was really the only player linking defence and attack. What a game Ivan! Good on him for showing up the bastards that booed him. Deserves the spot next week and if he can continue this form he will be making quite the stake for the number one spot next year.AGREE. apart from #1 next year.......we need a far better keeper than Ivan.
 
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Forum Phoenix

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I thought Appiah worked really well and hard defensively until he went off and quite a few more decent passages than two. But agree on his touch - however that has always been the case.

Also agree on Galloway, great game apart from the goal but he doesn't play the lofted balls we need to release the winger on his side enough imo, and doesnt always move it quick enough either for mine.

I think both flanks are slow and at times just oblivious to the need to move it centrally / they look forward, don't see an option and play back when there is a twenty metre pass open centrally that would really help to open things up.

I remember how Arnie made Perez wear a pink bib at training so the players would learn to look for him and pick him out... we need a little of this I think.

Re McGing. Agree re linking attack. But I see his foremost responsibility as defence - which I think he is continuing to grow in and he made less errors last night against a very good opposition I thought.
 
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ballantyne

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I'm starting to believe niw. We've got two more games with a chance of points, a fit squad and something to play for.
We finished last season the worst team in the history of the comp. It's a long way back from there, but if we can just avoid the spoon we still have something over the Jests.
COYY!
 

Wombat

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I thought Appiah worked really well and hard defensively until he went off and quite a few more decent passages than two. But agree on his touch - however that has always been the case.

i LIKE HIS WORKRATE BUT HE REALLY IS NOT THE ANSWER FOR US. CLUMSY AND MISTAKE RIDDEN.

Also agree on Galloway, great game apart from the goal but he doesn't play the lofted balls we need to release the winger on his side enough imo, and doesnt always move it quick enough either for mine. GALLOWAY HAS HUGE POTENTIAL AND IS A VASTLY BETTER FULLBACK THAN ROUX ALREADY.

I think both flanks are slow and at times just oblivious to the need to move it centrally / they look forward, don't see an option and play back when there is a twenty metre pass open centrally that would really help to open things up.

I remember how Arnie made Perez wear a pink bib at training so the players would learn to look for him and pick him out... we need a little of this I think.

Re McGing. Agree re linking attack. But I see his foremost responsibility as defence - which I think he is continuing to grow in and he made less errors last night against a very good opposition I thought.
MCGING IS THE SAME AS APPIAH. THE FACT HE MAKES SOOOO MANY ERRORS AND WE PRAISE HIM WHEN HE PLAYS OK IS VERY DAMMING.
 

JoyfulPenguin

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MCGING IS THE SAME AS APPIAH. THE FACT HE MAKES SOOOO MANY ERRORS AND WE PRAISE HIM WHEN HE PLAYS OK IS VERY DAMMING.
Offensively I agree Wombat, but defensively he is a very strong defensive midfielder and adds some much needed height. If used correctly he could be a great player for us, unfortunately we don't have the luxury of a game plan that only allows him to lay off simple balls. Asking him to link the defence and midfield is asking too much of his technical ability and while Monty is a great player this is something he often struggles with too and is not helped by an out of position Ferriera. A midfield of someone of creative quality similar to Tavares and an actual number 10 would make McGing a very strong anchor for our team.
 

Forum Phoenix

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Wombat, exactly what PJ said.

I'm not saying we can't do better, or that they don't need to improve, I'm saying that I do see improvement there which I like. Disagree if you like, but I think praise should be given when people are moving in the right direction - even if you think the bar started low.
 

Big Al

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unfortunately we don't have the luxury of a game plan that only allows him to lay off simple balls. Asking him to link the defence and midfield is asking too much of his technical ability.
That's the point you can't be a one dimensional player in the mid field.
This might be why he was put into defence

He's playing alright and will be a good back up
But is not anywhere near what Taveras brought to the team
We will have to deal with them for the rest of the year and after that McGing will still be at the club but I doubt as a first 11 player

I'd personally like Rose back in there, he is learning the defensive side of the game which he needs but his runs from the back are way more exciting, beneficial and creative than anything McGing has done
 

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