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"I for one welcome our insect overlords" - The Politics Thread

midfielder

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Lord Tony ... gonna be good to see how the hard core rusted on's view his rein...

I hope he does a good job but you never know until he is power....

Just some free advise to the Reds disunity was only part of the reason you lost .... next time I hear we were a good government we only lost because of our disunity I will throw up ... remember convince me to vote for you and more than likely you win...

Advise to the Blues .... keep it clam no surprises .... also get the second Sydney airport started ....
 

hasbeen

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Ha ha ha ... despite who gets the leader job, the factions will still determine the deputy. Same as it ever was.
 

dibo

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Ha ha ha ... despite who gets the leader job, the factions will still determine the deputy. Same as it ever was.
Not telling us about how glorious our new government are?

How they are stopping the debt (borrowed another $800 million this week) and stopping the boats (another three arrived this week) through cooperating with Indonesia (who are refusing to cooperate with a plan that was formulated without consultation with Indonesia as a Morrison thought bubble before progressing to full Coalition Brainfart status)?

Yeah, you should definitely tell us all about that.
 

hasbeen

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Triple ha ha ... LNP are not in Govt. yet, and as usual like the rusted-on that you are, you avoid the issue. Well done son, you must be proud.
 

hasbeen

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And by the way, being anti-Labor does not make me pro-Liberal. I would have thought you at least would have the nous to work that out. So Plibersek as Deputy Dawg only if Bill Shortarse is chosen, why is that? Go on, try & answer that without using the word 'faction'.
 
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dibo

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If you're not a Liberal, what are you then? You're certainly not a swinging voter, your preferences obviously go to the Libs, so you're just one of the random right-wing loons? Cool.

That factions exist in *all* parties shouldn't come as any surprise; Tony Abbott took the benefit of the climate change deniers in the Liberal Right getting cold feet on an ETS to get rid of Malcolm Turnbull. His ascendancy in the polls has protected him.

John Brogden was knifed by the hard Right in NSW when they took over the party, and the same hard Right group is responsible for factional shitfights across NSW that gave you candidates like Jaymes Diaz.

In the ALP, the reason why you're likely to get a leader from one faction and a deputy from the other is to balance things and ensure both major groups have a stake. Everyone pulls together to work for a common interest; it isn't winner takes all.

Sure, they're members of factions, and sure, the factions do move their support around, but that's no different to any other political party (or local football club committee, for that matter).

Faction is just a formalisation of natural groupings, and it's not a dirty word.
 

hasbeen

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"Everyone pulls together to work for a common interest; it isn't winner takes all.'

Rudd & Gillard would beg to differ.
 

midfielder

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Just in keeping with the cough cough EEErrrr HHHHmmmm fair new thread title .... a vote perhaps on who is the Phoney & his 2IC ...

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midfielder

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HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMmmmmm interesting.... maybe it's a NSW thing ....

http://m.smh.com.au/nsw/two-mps-targeted-in-corruption-raids-20130921-2u671.html

Corruption authorities have raided the electorate offices of Liberal MPs Chris Spence and Darren Webber overnight.

Fairfax Media has confirmed the raids by officers attached to the Independent Commission Against Corruption, took place on Friday.

The raids are understood to be connected to allegations that two staff of energy minister Chris Hartcher breached election funding rules before the 2011 state election.

Mr Webber, the member for Wyong and Mr Spence, the MP for the Entrance are close to Mr Hartcher, who is known to "run" the Central Coast for the Liberals.

Fairfax Media revealed last year that a senior staff member of Mr Hartcher, Tim Koelma, resigned and his electorate officer Ray Carter was suspended after election funding authorities launched an investigation into allegations against them.

Mr Koelma and Mr Carter, Mr Hartcher's electorate officer in Terrigal, were suspended in late March 2012 after the NSW Liberal Party wrote to the Election Funding Authority alleging they had breached funding laws.

It is understood political donations to the NSW branch of the party were being sought through a trust connected to Mr Koelma.

A business name registered to Mr Koelma, Eightbyfive, served as the trading name for the trustee of the Koelma Trust.

Records show a $5000 donation was made to the party's central coast candidates by LA Commercial Pty Ltd, a building company in Wyong, just weeks before the 2011 election.

The subsequent disclosure by the company's owner, Matthew Lusted, of the donation is understood to have alerted the party. It is believed Mr Lusted's company was asked to donate through Eightbyfive.

Mr Lusted was an unsuccessful Liberal preselection candidate for the federal seat of Dobell on the central coast, then held by the former Labor MP Craig Thomson.

Mr Hartcher's preference, Karen McNamara, was named the candidate after the party's state executive intervened in the earlier preselection of Garry Whitaker, who was not endorsed after a controversy over his living arrangements.

The Liberal party wrote to the Election Funding Authority on March 22, 2012 alleging breaches by Mr Koelma and Mr Carter.

The Premier's department then contacted election authorities and Mr Carter's technical employer, the Speaker of the Legislative Assembly, Shelley Hancock.

Mr Koelma resigned on April 18, but Mr Carter remains suspended on full pay pending the outcome of the investigation.

Mr Lusted said at the time that he was entitled to make the donation as he was not a property developer, who have been prohibited from political donations in NSW since December 2009.
 

dibo

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I thought when offices were raided, standard practice was to tip off the media too? Or did Thomson just get special treatment?
 

FFC Mariner

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The same Hartcher who nearly killed us by cancelling our sponsorship and then went glory hunting in State Parliament when we won the GF? That Hartcher?

May he die in a f**king fire. Can't wait to vote against him.

Scum
 

dibo

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Missing Craig Thomson? Don't worry, his replacement is plenty dodgy.

Karen McNamara dragged into controversy about political donations
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September 23, 2013 - 3:23PM
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Dragged into controversy: Karen McNamara. Photo: Ryan Osland

The likely new federal Liberal MP for Dobell, Karen McNamara, has been drawn into controversy about political donations on the NSW central coast due to her role as campaign manager for a state MP whose office has been raided by corruption authorities.

The electorate offices of NSW MPs Darren Webber and Chris Spence were raided by the Independent Commission Against Corruption on Friday. Mr Webber is the member for Wyong and Mr Spence for The Entrance.

The raids are believed to be linked to revelations by Fairfax Media last year that two staff members of state Energy Minister Chris Hartcher, who holds the central coast seat of Terrigal, had been referred to election funding authorities by the Liberal Party.

The Liberals alleged the pair -policy adviser Tim Koelma and Mr Hartcher's electorate officer Ray Carter - had breached election funding laws shortly before the 2011 election. Ms McNamara was Mr Webber's campaign manager for the 2011 campaign.

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Fairfax Media can reveal that during her preselection interview for Dobell, Ms McNamara said that as campaign manager she had raised up to $100,000 for Mr Webber's campaign.

But the claim was questioned by a member of the NSW Liberal state executive, Hollie Hughes, who said she had been advised party records indicated official receipts were far less than that - as little as $50,000.

It is understood the Liberal Party finance director, Simon McInnes, confirmed to Mrs Hughes that the official fund-raising figure was far less than that claimed by Ms McNamara.

Ms McNamara did not respond to a request for comment.

Mrs Hughes said on Monday: "It was a long time ago and I can't remember the specific details. But preselections are an internal party matter so I can't make any further comment."

One $5000 donation believed to be under scrutiny by ICAC was made by a building firm, LA Commercial, owned by a Wyong businessman, Matthew Lusted, to the benefit of the Liberal Party's central coast candidates just weeks before the 2011 election.

It is understood the donation was paid through Eightbyfive, a business owned by Mr Koelma, who has since resigned from his office. Fairfax Media does not suggest there is any connection between the donation and Ms McNamara.

Mr Koelma says he has done nothing wrong and that he "operated a legitimate business" and had "always acted appropriately". Mr Lusted was an unsuccessful preselection candidate for Dobell.

Ms McNamara, who was Mr Hartcher's preference, was named the candidate after the party's state executive and then opposition leader Tony Abbott, intervened in the earlier preselection of Garry Whitaker, who was not endorsed after a controversy about his living arrangements.

Ms McNamara looks set to be elected to Parliament. She leads in Dobell by more than 1000 votes with 94 per cent of the vote counted.

Premier Barry O'Farrell has resisted calls to suspend Mr Spence, Mr Webber and Mr Hartcher since the raids because, he said, until ICAC made a statement on its activities the matter was "pure speculation".



Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-polit...l-donations-20130923-2u9kh.html#ixzz2fh45Y0TX
 

dibo

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Ain't it funny how Hasbeen goes all quiet when it's the Liberal Party f**king everything it touches.

Given he pretty much only ever posts in this thread, I'd have thought he might have had something to say about Tony "I'll spend my first week as PM in an indigenous community" Abbott, Joe "the market never gets it wrong" Hockey, Scott "stop counting the boats" Morrison or Julie "they're kicking our arses in public but the Indonesians secretly agree with us" Bishop.

Or even our allegedly corrupt local Liberal MPs?
 

Einstein

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Compare Craig to Karen in a fair and reasonable manner. What is Craig alleged to have done v What Karen is alleged to have done? Did Craig behave in an open and honest manner when allegations or lack of allegations in Karen's case surfaced?
 

dibo

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Craig is alleged to have made unauthorised purchases on a union credit card. He denies he's done anything wrong.

Karen is alleged to have taken illegal/undeclared campaign donations as a campaign manager in 2011. We don't know what her side of the story is, and we don't know a lot of detail generally; this is pretty much new stuff.

Neither has been found guilty in any court, neither matter is finalised.
 

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