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Webber Crashes again...on 2 wheels
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clarence
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I laugh at the irony too (even gets a 'DNF' in a race he organised!)....hopefully he'll be fit to drive in testing for whatever team he drives for next season. Why do F1 teams bother with guys like Webber, he's barely finished half the races he competes in, and he's always blaming anything other than himself for the DNFs.
tuftman
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serious14 said:
Pretty sure...I mean don't quote me, but in 2006 it wasnt raining and he went toe-to-toe with Alonso and Raikkonen, it was Monaco, it was dry, and it was for the lead (obviously being Webber 2nd gear welded itself to 3rd gear and 4th 5th and 6th followed suit)...and being wet at monaco, doesnt that constitute pretty much the ultimate in driving skills? Give the guy a break he is a class act, Martin Brundle calls him the unluckiest man in Formula 1. Assuming Red Bull give him competitive machinery(they have no excuse this season, with Adrian Newey designing the car) and a young teammate in Vettel to give him the hurry up, we should see the Webber of 2002...i.e racing far above where everyone expects him to
nah i used to be one to give webber the benefit of the doubt but now i realise he is shit, sure previously he has had a car thats been less than desireable but there is something that champion drivers bring to uncompetitive teams that he hasnt like Alonso at Renault and Schumacher at Bennetton which he cant bring. He isnt the inspiration that those 2 are, in fact he moves from team to team with reliability issues popping up in each of them, i dont think there is a coincidence there he must have some kind of destabilising effect on a team. i dont believe he has a long time left in F1 and I dont see him finishing his career a race winner
clarence
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serious14 said:Correct me if I'm wrong, but Webber is shit. It's not up for discussion.
Careful, serious, the next thing we'll hear is that Webber won't be heading this way, any time soon, because of all the hurtful comments on this forum about him.
Have you seen his wife lately?
Bex
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Webber is awesome. If he was sitting in a Maclaren or Ferrari you guys would be spouting about how great he is; including you skillbeck. How often does a non-Ferrari or Maclaren win a race?
Alonso wins a driver's championships and everyone thinks hes the best thing since sliced bread. Hamilton wins a driver's championship and everyone things the same. Common theme: fast, car that doesn't break down. This is not to say Alonso or Hamilton are bad drivers, but the average person just doesn't recognise a good performance from further down the field. A huge majority of Webber's non-finishes over the years are car related. And nearly every time he is in a great position in the race is when they happen. Unluckiest driver in F1, indeed. I could guarantee you though that he would suddenly become very lucky if he were driving a Ferrari.
Webber has beaten every team mate that he has ever had quite comfortably. He has regularly qualified his car 3 or 4 places further up the grid than the car deserved. He is a complete professional. He has produced a hugely successful motor racing career based on his own talent (Do any of you remember his performance on the Gold Coast? What about his great performances overseas in F3 where he challenged for the championship two years in a row in a team that was not the best and whilst he was trying to balance that with Benneton F1 testing commitments) and based on smart business decisions (Yellow Pages, Paul Stoddart). He has done it on the international stage with the huge disadvantage of being Australian.
And yes, Webber's performances at Monaco have been wonderful. All Aussies should be proud of what he has acheived at that circuit as well as others.
HOWEVER, I'm the first to admit that Webber's strength is not his passing skills. He has tripped over himself and others and looked quite clumsy in some cases. This is what they show on the sports reports; they show nothing else but the worst of Webber. If he was in a car with Ferrari or McLaren competitiveness, I have no doubts that he would be at least as good Alonso when he drove the Renault to victory. No need to rely so much on passing when you're in a fast car and you're an extremely fast and reliable driver.
Alonso wins a driver's championships and everyone thinks hes the best thing since sliced bread. Hamilton wins a driver's championship and everyone things the same. Common theme: fast, car that doesn't break down. This is not to say Alonso or Hamilton are bad drivers, but the average person just doesn't recognise a good performance from further down the field. A huge majority of Webber's non-finishes over the years are car related. And nearly every time he is in a great position in the race is when they happen. Unluckiest driver in F1, indeed. I could guarantee you though that he would suddenly become very lucky if he were driving a Ferrari.
Webber has beaten every team mate that he has ever had quite comfortably. He has regularly qualified his car 3 or 4 places further up the grid than the car deserved. He is a complete professional. He has produced a hugely successful motor racing career based on his own talent (Do any of you remember his performance on the Gold Coast? What about his great performances overseas in F3 where he challenged for the championship two years in a row in a team that was not the best and whilst he was trying to balance that with Benneton F1 testing commitments) and based on smart business decisions (Yellow Pages, Paul Stoddart). He has done it on the international stage with the huge disadvantage of being Australian.
And yes, Webber's performances at Monaco have been wonderful. All Aussies should be proud of what he has acheived at that circuit as well as others.
HOWEVER, I'm the first to admit that Webber's strength is not his passing skills. He has tripped over himself and others and looked quite clumsy in some cases. This is what they show on the sports reports; they show nothing else but the worst of Webber. If he was in a car with Ferrari or McLaren competitiveness, I have no doubts that he would be at least as good Alonso when he drove the Renault to victory. No need to rely so much on passing when you're in a fast car and you're an extremely fast and reliable driver.
clarence said:
Look mate, if you actually knew something about f1, you would know that most of his 'DNF''s is due to engine or other component failure. He is highly rated in F1.
Webber can only be as competitive as his car will let him, Red Bull have yet to produce a quick, reliable car.
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