pjennings
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I saw someone at the weekend game who I had not seen since those days. I'm sure I won't see him again for many years again after this decision.
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Sydney to host the Grand Final next 3 years
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marinermick
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Just saw the Cove’s response. Very disappointing.
Their decision is to be silent for 23 minutes. That essentially means they will have the run of the atmosphere in the second half, after the Yellow Army walks out, which will crucially affect the on field play.
Their decision is to be silent for 23 minutes. That essentially means they will have the run of the atmosphere in the second half, after the Yellow Army walks out, which will crucially affect the on field play.
Nik Mrdjas Disco Bikkie
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Weak as piss from them
FFC Mariner
Well-Known Member
Sorry but while I think this deal to shift the GF is terrible and shits on every fan of the AL, a walk out is just stupid.
Move somewhere else by all means but its better not to go at all than walk out. Most if not all are members so Dick already has your money. Why would he remotely care if people leave?
Move somewhere else by all means but its better not to go at all than walk out. Most if not all are members so Dick already has your money. Why would he remotely care if people leave?
I think this has been a communication disaster more than anything. The messaging from the APL has been horrible. If, from the very start, they had led with "this is a substantial investment in the game that is essential to our league and we understand it will make fans unhappy but it's necessary" then I think it would've been better received. People still wouldn't have been happy but I think everyone can agree the game needs more investment.
FFC Mariner
Well-Known Member
It is $350k per club. Gross - hardly worth trashing your base is it?
bikinigirl
Well-Known Member
. call and response from two opposing fan groups with a combined and very audible dissension coming through the broadcast would be my suggestion
Insertnamehere
Well-Known Member
Club/Richard have sent out a statement. A credit to Rich, his is far and away the most reasonable account so far.
Makes Townsend and the Board look like f**kwits
Makes Townsend and the Board look like f**kwits
ashman89
Well-Known Member
Statement from Chairman Richard Peil
Dear CCM Fans,
The purpose of this email is to set the record straight.
The first time I became aware of the decision to host the next 3 years of grand finals in Sydney was 8:00pm on Sunday night, the 11th December. Prior to that, I had no idea it was even being contemplated. It was a total surprise, and frankly not a pleasant one.
Myself, and the Central Coast Mariners FC, were not consulted about the decision in any way prior to it being made. If we were consulted, we would have advocated strongly for an alternative, fairer model, one where every club gets a genuine, equal opportunity to host. There are many other sporting leagues worldwide that wrestle with this issue and I’m certain we could have taken inspiration from their approaches, if we were involved in the process.
When the League made the decision to host the matches in Sydney, it did so with the support of all five clubs who currently hold voting rights, which doesn’t include us. I do believe those decision makers genuinely felt they were making the right decision to ensure League’s financial stability. However, it is clear to me that the decision making framework needs to be reviewed, as all clubs are in different positions, are different sizes, and have different needs. A transition to a collaborative framework must be considered. All clubs need to share in these decision making processes, and share in the privilege & burden of being responsible for those decisions to our fans and stakeholders.
Yesterday, Tuesday 13th December, I participated in an unscheduled Owners meeting to discuss what the League would do now, given the strong criticism being levied against the decision from fans. This meeting was the first and only opportunity that our club has had to become involved.
During that meeting yesterday, by virtue of the decision having already been made, I was forced to vote for either trying to pull out of the deal with Destination NSW, or continuing with the arrangement that had already been struck and announced. Frankly, it was a lose-lose decision.
If the vote went in favour of attempting to pull out of the deal, it was not certain if that was legally even possible. It was also made abundantly clear that exiting the deal would result in hundreds of thousands of dollars in essential funding to the Mariners from the League being drastically reduced. Further, the advice I received from genuine government relations experts was that ripping up a locked-in deal after already announcing it would severely impact the League’s ability, and the ability of each club within it, to secure government support, funding and relationships moving forward. As one of the smallest clubs in the league, and one that currently loses millions of dollars every year, we rely on funding from the League, and we rely on being able to have positive relationships with government moving forward. Frankly, both are essential to our long term viability. Our pockets just aren’t as deep as other clubs’.
On the other hand, I am first and foremost a football fan. That’s why I became involved in the club back in May 2023, I love football and I want to make a positive difference to the Australian game. Some of the best days of my life, and the majority of my inner circle of friends, are derived from my involvement in football. From this lens, I know how angry and upset I would personally be if my club made it to a grand final without having a chance to host it at home. Candidly, I’d be furious.
Ten out of the eleven clubs that participated in yesterday’s meeting ultimately voted in favour of not trying to pull out of the deal that had already been made. I can’t speak for the internal dialogue and thought process that the other clubs’ representatives went through. But for me, it was a gut wrenching balance between advocating (ultimately pointlessly) for what I felt was ethically right as a football fan, versus reluctantly moving forward with the decision made by others, in the interest of keeping the League, and our club, financially viable long term. Ultimately, I felt I had to go with keeping our club, and the League, alive.
I am frustrated at having been thrusted into this position and I believe it could have been avoided. Consultation with all clubs, stakeholders and fans needs to happen for material choices of this kind. I’m already working with experts on how we can prevent something like this happening again. I don’t have the exact answer to that now, but I will get it, and I will fight hard to ensure changes are made.
I know some will read this explanation and think I made the wrong decision, and I respect that viewpoint. All I ask is that you voice that view in a constructive way, and work with us (not against us) to improve things moving forward.
Myself and Shaun will be hosting a fan forum early next year to consult with everyone further. Please attend, and please tell us how you feel and give us your suggestions. I’m the newest Chairman in the league, and I’ve got a lot to learn, most of which will come from you, the fans.
Yours faithfully,
Richard Peil
Dear CCM Fans,
The purpose of this email is to set the record straight.
The first time I became aware of the decision to host the next 3 years of grand finals in Sydney was 8:00pm on Sunday night, the 11th December. Prior to that, I had no idea it was even being contemplated. It was a total surprise, and frankly not a pleasant one.
Myself, and the Central Coast Mariners FC, were not consulted about the decision in any way prior to it being made. If we were consulted, we would have advocated strongly for an alternative, fairer model, one where every club gets a genuine, equal opportunity to host. There are many other sporting leagues worldwide that wrestle with this issue and I’m certain we could have taken inspiration from their approaches, if we were involved in the process.
When the League made the decision to host the matches in Sydney, it did so with the support of all five clubs who currently hold voting rights, which doesn’t include us. I do believe those decision makers genuinely felt they were making the right decision to ensure League’s financial stability. However, it is clear to me that the decision making framework needs to be reviewed, as all clubs are in different positions, are different sizes, and have different needs. A transition to a collaborative framework must be considered. All clubs need to share in these decision making processes, and share in the privilege & burden of being responsible for those decisions to our fans and stakeholders.
Yesterday, Tuesday 13th December, I participated in an unscheduled Owners meeting to discuss what the League would do now, given the strong criticism being levied against the decision from fans. This meeting was the first and only opportunity that our club has had to become involved.
During that meeting yesterday, by virtue of the decision having already been made, I was forced to vote for either trying to pull out of the deal with Destination NSW, or continuing with the arrangement that had already been struck and announced. Frankly, it was a lose-lose decision.
If the vote went in favour of attempting to pull out of the deal, it was not certain if that was legally even possible. It was also made abundantly clear that exiting the deal would result in hundreds of thousands of dollars in essential funding to the Mariners from the League being drastically reduced. Further, the advice I received from genuine government relations experts was that ripping up a locked-in deal after already announcing it would severely impact the League’s ability, and the ability of each club within it, to secure government support, funding and relationships moving forward. As one of the smallest clubs in the league, and one that currently loses millions of dollars every year, we rely on funding from the League, and we rely on being able to have positive relationships with government moving forward. Frankly, both are essential to our long term viability. Our pockets just aren’t as deep as other clubs’.
On the other hand, I am first and foremost a football fan. That’s why I became involved in the club back in May 2023, I love football and I want to make a positive difference to the Australian game. Some of the best days of my life, and the majority of my inner circle of friends, are derived from my involvement in football. From this lens, I know how angry and upset I would personally be if my club made it to a grand final without having a chance to host it at home. Candidly, I’d be furious.
Ten out of the eleven clubs that participated in yesterday’s meeting ultimately voted in favour of not trying to pull out of the deal that had already been made. I can’t speak for the internal dialogue and thought process that the other clubs’ representatives went through. But for me, it was a gut wrenching balance between advocating (ultimately pointlessly) for what I felt was ethically right as a football fan, versus reluctantly moving forward with the decision made by others, in the interest of keeping the League, and our club, financially viable long term. Ultimately, I felt I had to go with keeping our club, and the League, alive.
I am frustrated at having been thrusted into this position and I believe it could have been avoided. Consultation with all clubs, stakeholders and fans needs to happen for material choices of this kind. I’m already working with experts on how we can prevent something like this happening again. I don’t have the exact answer to that now, but I will get it, and I will fight hard to ensure changes are made.
I know some will read this explanation and think I made the wrong decision, and I respect that viewpoint. All I ask is that you voice that view in a constructive way, and work with us (not against us) to improve things moving forward.
Myself and Shaun will be hosting a fan forum early next year to consult with everyone further. Please attend, and please tell us how you feel and give us your suggestions. I’m the newest Chairman in the league, and I’ve got a lot to learn, most of which will come from you, the fans.
Yours faithfully,
Richard Peil
FFC Mariner
Well-Known Member
What a greedy self serving grub he is
Bring back Charlesworth
Bring back Charlesworth
marinermick
Well-Known Member
Essentially he is saying the viability of the league hinges on a $15 million deal? If that is the case:
- Where did the $140 million go?
- The league is pretty much f**ked
- Where did the $140 million go?
- The league is pretty much f**ked
crock
Well-Known Member
Ask Townsend and the wanderers chairman who is chair of apl board
FFC Mariner
Well-Known Member
Sooner this league folds the better.
NPL starts in February. Stable comp not run by greedy spivs
NPL starts in February. Stable comp not run by greedy spivs
Insertnamehere
Well-Known Member
Rugari put out an article.
140 is for growth strategies, KEEPUP etc. Not day to day operations.
P+ money is for day to day.
Insertnamehere
Well-Known Member
You've been hanging out with Wombat too much i think. Been so cranky lately.
FFC Mariner
Well-Known Member
No. We saw what hes done to the academy and hoped it was a 1 off.
It seems not
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