Gratis
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go for it if you have the motovation, I'd enjoy the read. Give us a benchmark for the coming season and some points of discussion
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Season 11 in review - 2015/16
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FFC Mariner
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Played shit - got worse - came last
There you go
There you go
Forum Phoenix
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Im also keen for your score card wombat.
May disagree on Roux at a guess though
May disagree on Roux at a guess though
Wombat
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Ok....but I want everyone else to have a go as well.
Izzo E. Shows some potential as a shot stopper but basically nothing short of a disaster this season.
Storm. C-. Defensively an E but did well going forward. The worst header of a ball since my 4yo Neice
Neill C-. Terrible at the start but showed good improvement and should make the grade. Very Naive defensively.
Rose C-. Some good moments and our most tactically aware defender but looked dodgy in a piss poor back 4. Time to retire?
Posco. B. still prone to mistakes but more grunt and potential than the rest. Impossible to fault his endeavour.
Ascroft. C+. Really sloppy at times but also showed guts at times. Shows good potential but needs to step up a level.
McGing C. Got worse as the season went on due to questionable management......showed some potential and showed good heart.
Fab. B-. At times looked our best at other times was frustrating. Knew he was one of the best in a piss poor team.
Austin B. One of our best. Plenty to improve upon but plenty to like.
Monty B. Very solid.
Baby Rose B-. Good potential. Needs to believe in himself more and then can dominate.
Bingham C+. Did well.
Paddy B-. Great 2nd half but wasted too many changes to get huge plaudits. potentially a golden bootwinner. Incredible workrate.
Fletcher. D-. Can only get better and showed glimpses that he is not a complete mug.
Izzo E. Shows some potential as a shot stopper but basically nothing short of a disaster this season.
Storm. C-. Defensively an E but did well going forward. The worst header of a ball since my 4yo Neice
Neill C-. Terrible at the start but showed good improvement and should make the grade. Very Naive defensively.
Rose C-. Some good moments and our most tactically aware defender but looked dodgy in a piss poor back 4. Time to retire?
Posco. B. still prone to mistakes but more grunt and potential than the rest. Impossible to fault his endeavour.
Ascroft. C+. Really sloppy at times but also showed guts at times. Shows good potential but needs to step up a level.
McGing C. Got worse as the season went on due to questionable management......showed some potential and showed good heart.
Fab. B-. At times looked our best at other times was frustrating. Knew he was one of the best in a piss poor team.
Austin B. One of our best. Plenty to improve upon but plenty to like.
Monty B. Very solid.
Baby Rose B-. Good potential. Needs to believe in himself more and then can dominate.
Bingham C+. Did well.
Paddy B-. Great 2nd half but wasted too many changes to get huge plaudits. potentially a golden bootwinner. Incredible workrate.
Fletcher. D-. Can only get better and showed glimpses that he is not a complete mug.
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sydmariner
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What about Garcia
dibo
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Rating Garcia above Neill? Rating Austin above Liam Rose?
I particularly love "Got worse as the season went on due to questionable management"
How the hell would you know? McGing might've carried an injury, he might've had an attitude issue, he might've struggled to maintain focus in a team that wasn't performing, but you immediately single out management. I'm not about to say Walmsley was a star, but he doesn't deserve to automatically be the factor blamed for a player's drop in performance in the absence of any other information or consideration of any other factor.
No mention of the fact that Monty was a clear A at the start of the year and barely a C at the end? No blaming Walmsley there? I was stunned at how good he was early doors and disappointed that he dropped away so badly. For a guy wearing the armband particularly it was a sad drop. He'll come back better, but other than knowing he had some injury issues I'm not up with what went on to blame any single factor there.
I particularly love "Got worse as the season went on due to questionable management"
How the hell would you know? McGing might've carried an injury, he might've had an attitude issue, he might've struggled to maintain focus in a team that wasn't performing, but you immediately single out management. I'm not about to say Walmsley was a star, but he doesn't deserve to automatically be the factor blamed for a player's drop in performance in the absence of any other information or consideration of any other factor.
No mention of the fact that Monty was a clear A at the start of the year and barely a C at the end? No blaming Walmsley there? I was stunned at how good he was early doors and disappointed that he dropped away so badly. For a guy wearing the armband particularly it was a sad drop. He'll come back better, but other than knowing he had some injury issues I'm not up with what went on to blame any single factor there.
pjennings
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Glad I have taken a few weeks to do this - it takes the raw emotions out of it.
My ratings - not just on what they did - but also that effect on the team. No A's, one E - basically a poor squad effort across the board with some solid efforts and some potential shown. I also didn't give D's - though I did consider it. Some squad members probably deserved it on performance but I couldn't fault their effort. Some others probably deserved it for their effort - but when they put in the effort contributed well.
As a squad must do better!! Posco, Monty, Liam Rose, Bingers and Roy in particular all did their job well, even if not outstandingly, but also worked hard and contributed to the team output. Sadly the same cannot be said for many of the others.
Izzo E. Poor - maybe okay as second choice but not good enough at this stage as first choice. Still young and time to improve - but we cannot afford that improvement to occur in our first team.
Storm. C. Will be a good attacking fullback but his primary job is as a defender. That aspect of his game needs to improve markedly. Needs improvement.
Neill C. See Storm - needs improvement. Also looked okay in patches in midfield.
Rose C. Great team man for many years but he is not a natural CB. While as Wombat said he was probably our most tactically aware defender his decision making in the middle was always half a second too late. Good cover for next year at LB, LM, LW or at a pinch CB or striker. Squaddie for next year or maybe time to retire.
Posco. B. Gives 100% all the time. Our best CB and our best RB.
Ascroft. C Given that he came as a CB/RB his best games were actually man-making in midfield. Do not rate him as a defender but alongside one of Tavares, Monty or Rose Jr will be a good squaddie and covers a number of positions as a sub. Shows potential but must improve.
McGing C. Tried hard and has potential - needs improvement..
Fab. C. Early on was one of our best - as the season went on instead of continuing to attack he often cut back and delayed the attack. This became more frustrating as the season went on. Did not track back - and worse did not press the defenders alongside Roy. Needs to believe in himself in attack and work harder for the team in defence
Austin C. Again one of our best in attack but like Fab he often did not track back and did not press the defenders alongside Roy. His speed was a weapon - but the longer the season went on the more the opposition knew how to marshal him. Needs to development other weapons in attack and work harder for the team in defence.
Monty B. Very solid. Incredibly hard worker. Easily our best player early on but faded as the year went on - whether from fatigue or injury niggles.
Liam Rose B. Showed good improvement over the season and still has the potential to do more. Looking for more improvement this coming season.
Bingham B Worked hard when played well when given the chance - some handy finishes.
Paddy B Agree with Wombat - potentially a golden bootwinner. Incredible work rate - sadly not matched by Fab, Mitch, Luis (understandably) and Caceres before him. Slated for missing a lot - but Berisha, McLaren also missed a lot. They just had more opportunities than Roy so his misses (often our only chances) were more crucial. If he had not missed 8 weeks may have been our only A.
Fletcher. C. Once he had a little fitness he showed that he is a good footballer. Looking forward to seeing some of he Young Socceroo form alongside Bulut return. Interesting to not that it was often when he and Bingers came on for Fab and Mitch late in games and pressured the defenders we often looked most dangerous. Looking for a big improvement this year.
My ratings - not just on what they did - but also that effect on the team. No A's, one E - basically a poor squad effort across the board with some solid efforts and some potential shown. I also didn't give D's - though I did consider it. Some squad members probably deserved it on performance but I couldn't fault their effort. Some others probably deserved it for their effort - but when they put in the effort contributed well.
As a squad must do better!! Posco, Monty, Liam Rose, Bingers and Roy in particular all did their job well, even if not outstandingly, but also worked hard and contributed to the team output. Sadly the same cannot be said for many of the others.
Izzo E. Poor - maybe okay as second choice but not good enough at this stage as first choice. Still young and time to improve - but we cannot afford that improvement to occur in our first team.
Storm. C. Will be a good attacking fullback but his primary job is as a defender. That aspect of his game needs to improve markedly. Needs improvement.
Neill C. See Storm - needs improvement. Also looked okay in patches in midfield.
Rose C. Great team man for many years but he is not a natural CB. While as Wombat said he was probably our most tactically aware defender his decision making in the middle was always half a second too late. Good cover for next year at LB, LM, LW or at a pinch CB or striker. Squaddie for next year or maybe time to retire.
Posco. B. Gives 100% all the time. Our best CB and our best RB.
Ascroft. C Given that he came as a CB/RB his best games were actually man-making in midfield. Do not rate him as a defender but alongside one of Tavares, Monty or Rose Jr will be a good squaddie and covers a number of positions as a sub. Shows potential but must improve.
McGing C. Tried hard and has potential - needs improvement..
Fab. C. Early on was one of our best - as the season went on instead of continuing to attack he often cut back and delayed the attack. This became more frustrating as the season went on. Did not track back - and worse did not press the defenders alongside Roy. Needs to believe in himself in attack and work harder for the team in defence
Austin C. Again one of our best in attack but like Fab he often did not track back and did not press the defenders alongside Roy. His speed was a weapon - but the longer the season went on the more the opposition knew how to marshal him. Needs to development other weapons in attack and work harder for the team in defence.
Monty B. Very solid. Incredibly hard worker. Easily our best player early on but faded as the year went on - whether from fatigue or injury niggles.
Liam Rose B. Showed good improvement over the season and still has the potential to do more. Looking for more improvement this coming season.
Bingham B Worked hard when played well when given the chance - some handy finishes.
Paddy B Agree with Wombat - potentially a golden bootwinner. Incredible work rate - sadly not matched by Fab, Mitch, Luis (understandably) and Caceres before him. Slated for missing a lot - but Berisha, McLaren also missed a lot. They just had more opportunities than Roy so his misses (often our only chances) were more crucial. If he had not missed 8 weeks may have been our only A.
Fletcher. C. Once he had a little fitness he showed that he is a good footballer. Looking forward to seeing some of he Young Socceroo form alongside Bulut return. Interesting to not that it was often when he and Bingers came on for Fab and Mitch late in games and pressured the defenders we often looked most dangerous. Looking for a big improvement this year.
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FFC Mariner
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Interestingly only 2 of our squad are being tapped up by top 4 sides.
Says everything about the squad
Says everything about the squad
pjennings
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Who are they?
JoyfulPenguin
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Fabio Ferriera and Mitch Austin.
Forum Phoenix
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As in Matt Simon? (Not being facetious)
Winger for striker?
I'd prefer to hang onto mitch anf Fab as long as the attitudes are good and they're not keen on moving. Austin will continue to improve and i think will continue to score and provide assists even as he is.
I think castellan would make an excellent 10.
Very good in traffic and plays some great balls. Could prolong his career coming inside now.
Not that i dont want to target an out and out world class ten still. Get that player and Roy will score a bucket full.
Winger for striker?
I'd prefer to hang onto mitch anf Fab as long as the attitudes are good and they're not keen on moving. Austin will continue to improve and i think will continue to score and provide assists even as he is.
I think castellan would make an excellent 10.
Very good in traffic and plays some great balls. Could prolong his career coming inside now.
Not that i dont want to target an out and out world class ten still. Get that player and Roy will score a bucket full.
pjennings
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Not only that - but they need to defend from the front as well - otherwise we are letting people back into our half too easily.
Forum Phoenix
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Yeah I think that's more than fair. Was actually about to add, Castellan fab and Mitch in the mids would have plenty of attacking skills... But enough graft? You can tell players to track back... but its hard to change temperament.
Players like those above are always better in winning/dominant sides.
Thats why that mention of Kuyt as a marquee excited me. Talented Attacker with graft and work ethic. Yes please.
Players like those above are always better in winning/dominant sides.
Thats why that mention of Kuyt as a marquee excited me. Talented Attacker with graft and work ethic. Yes please.
Wombat
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Rating Garcia above Neill? Rating Austin above Liam Rose?
I particularly love "Got worse as the season went on due to questionable management"
How the hell would you know? McGing might've carried an injury, he might've had an attitude issue, he might've struggled to maintain focus in a team that wasn't performing, but you immediately single out management. I'm not about to say Walmsley was a star, but he doesn't deserve to automatically be the factor blamed for a player's drop in performance in the absence of any other information or consideration of any other factor.
No mention of the fact that Monty was a clear A at the start of the year and barely a C at the end? No blaming Walmsley there? I was stunned at how good he was early doors and disappointed that he dropped away so badly. For a guy wearing the armband particularly it was a sad drop. He'll come back better, but other than knowing he had some injury issues I'm not up with what went on to blame any single factor there.
Obviously Garcia rates above Neill, who was dropped for his early season poor form. Neill did improve but apart from one good game never close to showing Garcia's class.
Austin v Rosebud is closer but Austin scored more goals, gave more assists and was generally more productive. I didnt buy into the Rose hype.....i actually think him starting actually coincided with us getting worse.
Having said that I can see he is a great prospect. But he needs to produce more.
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dibo
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Garcia gave the ball away constantly, defended so rarely that it was remarkable when he *did* make an effort and produced scarcely anything for us. Great marketing ploy, but as a footballing exercise it was a dud. Neill at least tried, and didn't leave a gaping hole wherever he defended.
Austin was exciting when he was interested (i.e. going forward). That's not his whole job. He simply didn't do the other half of his job, which is defending. Same for Ferreira. They got worse towards the end of the year, and Garcia's "effort" in combination meant we defended with 8 rather than 11 for much of the latter part of the season. Still wondering why we were shit?
Meanwhile Rose worked hard without the ball and actually had some composure with it. He was a smarter user of the ball than almost anyone. Where he fell down (and what might give Wombles cause for complaint) was that he was unwilling to speculate with the ball, so sometimes he'd hold it longer than we might want, a bit like Hutch used to. But his skill on the ball is greater than Hutch's and he's a good mover, so I think he's got a lot of improvement in him *particularly* in a team that is better balanced and more motivated.
Austin was exciting when he was interested (i.e. going forward). That's not his whole job. He simply didn't do the other half of his job, which is defending. Same for Ferreira. They got worse towards the end of the year, and Garcia's "effort" in combination meant we defended with 8 rather than 11 for much of the latter part of the season. Still wondering why we were shit?
Meanwhile Rose worked hard without the ball and actually had some composure with it. He was a smarter user of the ball than almost anyone. Where he fell down (and what might give Wombles cause for complaint) was that he was unwilling to speculate with the ball, so sometimes he'd hold it longer than we might want, a bit like Hutch used to. But his skill on the ball is greater than Hutch's and he's a good mover, so I think he's got a lot of improvement in him *particularly* in a team that is better balanced and more motivated.
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dibo
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Not meaning for them to be direct 1-for-1 swaps, obviously. With those two in the side I'd be very tempted to go back to the future with a diamond 4-4-2 / 4-1-3-2, with Roy and Simon in front of Castelen, Rose and Neill, with Monty anchoring. Roy and Simon work so hard you can get away without strict wingers, and it easily drops into a block 4-4-2 in defence.
Tactically unsophisticated, but I think people would accept us playing WM formation if it got us above Newcastle.
Wombat
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Thats a surprise Dibo?......so not Rosebud and Neill?????
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