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FFA's up for the cup

skilbeck

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http://au.fourfourtwo.com/news/73545,ffas-up-for-the-cup.aspx

FFA's Up For The Cup

EXCLUSIVE: Australia's answer to the FA Cup is being mapped out by FFA bosses as they seek to deliver a knockout boost to the game.

Speaking exclusively to au.fourfourtwo.com, FFA chief executive officer Ben Buckley has said a cup competition is one of the governing bodys priorities to help spark further interest.

Australia is one of the few professional leagues which does not boast a cup format during the regular season and it is something Buckley and his FFA colleagues are keen to see change.

It is not yet clear how quickly the A-Leagues very own FA Cup will be introduced or how many other clubs will compete in it but the willingness is there to ensure it does materialise sooner rather than later.

Buckley said: It is something were looking at, an FA Cup-style competition.

We are doing some work on the different formats that that might take. We think that will breed some additional interest in the game from all levels and all sectors of the football community."

He added: "We are somewhat disadvantaged relative to other countries, European nations in particular, in that you cant just hop on a bus and be at your opponents doorstep in an hour or two hours.

You have to get on a plane to make the journey and that can take a day or so. But those things can be overcome.

We may have to create a unique format for Australia rather than just adopt what happens in other countries.

That could mean a more regionalised format and state league sides will be hoping that they have the chance to rub shoulders with the big boys, as is the case with the FA Cup in England.

As it stands, the only knockout action for A-League players and supporters to enjoy is the Pre-Season Cup, albeit the initial stages of that are in a group format and there is no showpiece final for supporters to enjoy.

Have YOUR say - What do you think about "FFA's Up For The Cup"? Tell us NOW in the comment section below.

I say they should scrap the finals series and bring in a Cup. IMO It should start as a local knockout and then progress to a regional knockout, then state, then nationwide with silverware presented along the way to the winners of the different stages. Like European cups, teams such as those from the lower state leagues, state premier leagues and the A league would only be introduced late into the competition with the fixtures only becoming two legged in the last 16 knockout. It should probably run from the start of the winter seasons to coincide with the lower leagues to about the following April or May with the A League introduced after the end of the regular season. Except for the seeding of the rounds, it should be totally independant of the leagues. Selection of final venue would be the major outstanding issue then.

therefore if we market it like a finals series from the last 4 onwards no one except for those that follow the game religiously would even realise that the format has changed and those that do follow it religiously would see that it is more in line with european national cups. As for the PSC, i see it more like a league cup.
 

Kareem

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nice idea skillbeck!
You should take over Buckleys job lol!!!
But question is how local?
I personally think CC Lightning should be lowest level but if I am following I hear a hint of suggesting one or two top teams like Budgie (PSC winner in coast) + Wyoming in getting a chance!
A bit too complicated for my liking although it would be nice to see!
I think A-League + State leagues for me!
Question- Auckland City + friends- yes/no?
 

skilbeck

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Kiwi sides are something that would have to be deliberated on for a long time. the problem is they not only belong to a different football federation, but to a different continental confederation and thatll cause issues.

i just hope they put this into practice sooner rather than issuing press releases every year for 20 years saying that its on their agenda to bring in a cup
 

skilbeck

Well-Known Member
Kareem said:
nice idea skillbeck!
You should take over Buckleys job lol!!!
But question is how local?
I personally think CC Lightning should be lowest level but if I am following I hear a hint of suggesting one or two top teams like Budgie (PSC winner in coast) + Wyoming in getting a chance!
A bit too complicated for my liking although it would be nice to see!
I think A-League + State leagues for me!
Question- Auckland City + friends- yes/no?

i like the whole idea of local teams being in it like in England where any team, up to 24 tiers from the premier league can enter. If for no other reason it might give some players, such as a lot of people on here, their 15 minutes of fame and a chance to prove themselves. Plus I like the idea of linked cups in that the local silverware isnt the best that a team can aspire to in a season
 

Jesus

Jesus
Fifa has ruled the nix an australian club, so they cant play the o-league. Now they are having to approach ffa about asian champions league qualification.

The FFA will not get rid of the finals. Is too traditional in the australian sporting landscape. Not to mention the money.

The pre-season cup is about getting players fit so the first 4 rounds are not shizen.

Where will they play the cup final? My guess is Homebush or MCG. Presumably homebush. I would head down every year to watch it.

I am not sure how low the cup will go. Presume state leagues, but possible lower if they start early enough. Presumably when the a-league teams enter will be the frist time a NSW team, for example, will possibly play a team from another state.

I am not too concerned with mirroring europe. Actually i am not concerned at all. I would like to see the "presumably 3" asian champions league places go to the league winners, the champions, and the cup winners.
 

Paolo

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Kareem said:
I personally think CC Lightning should be lowest level but if I am following I hear a hint of
I think A-League + State leagues for me!
So what you really meant to say was A-league + State leagues + second tier comps(winter super league)

The issue with that is where does that leave sides in newcastle etc who arnt in the nsw football federation, they have their own federation(northern nsw).
 

Jesus

Jesus
skilbeck said:
Kareem said:
nice idea skillbeck!
You should take over Buckleys job lol!!!
But question is how local?
I personally think CC Lightning should be lowest level but if I am following I hear a hint of suggesting one or two top teams like Budgie (PSC winner in coast) + Wyoming in getting a chance!
A bit too complicated for my liking although it would be nice to see!
I think A-League + State leagues for me!
Question- Auckland City + friends- yes/no?

i like the whole idea of local teams being in it like in England where any team, up to 24 tiers from the premier league can enter. If for no other reason it might give some players, such as a lot of people on here, their 15 minutes of fame and a chance to prove themselves. Plus I like the idea of linked cups in that the local silverware isnt the best that a team can aspire to in a season

Most local assosiations have their own cup dont they? There is one on the coast. That would surely be simply made into to local cup phase. The winners going through to the next stage of the FFA cup
 

skilbeck

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like i said when it comes to the finals being traditional. You could market the last 2 or 3 rounds like a final series and the non-footballing australian public with a small interest in it wouldnt know the difference. i reckon if we got 3 asian spots it should be 1st and 2nd in the league as well as the cup winner
 

skilbeck

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Jesus said:
skilbeck said:
Kareem said:
nice idea skillbeck!
You should take over Buckleys job lol!!!
But question is how local?
I personally think CC Lightning should be lowest level but if I am following I hear a hint of suggesting one or two top teams like Budgie (PSC winner in coast) + Wyoming in getting a chance!
A bit too complicated for my liking although it would be nice to see!
I think A-League + State leagues for me!
Question- Auckland City + friends- yes/no?

i like the whole idea of local teams being in it like in England where any team, up to 24 tiers from the premier league can enter. If for no other reason it might give some players, such as a lot of people on here, their 15 minutes of fame and a chance to prove themselves. Plus I like the idea of linked cups in that the local silverware isnt the best that a team can aspire to in a season

Most local assosiations have their own cup dont they? There is one on the coast. That would surely be simply made into to local cup phase. The winners going through to the next stage of the FFA cup

thats exactly what i meant. the local cup phase could run the normal length through the winter. the regional and state cup phase could run over the summer when the a league season proper is on and the national phase would be after the a league season
 

skilbeck

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keensy said:
Kareem said:
I personally think CC Lightning should be lowest level but if I am following I hear a hint of
I think A-League + State leagues for me!
So what you really meant to say was A-league + State leagues + second tier comps(winter super league)

The issue with that is where does that leave sides in newcastle etc who arnt in the nsw football federation, they have their own federation(northern nsw).

northern nsw is considered to have its own federation and the winner of that would go to the national phase
 

Jesus

Jesus
skilbeck said:
like i said when it comes to the finals being traditional. You could market the last 2 or 3 rounds like a final series and the non-footballing australian public with a small interest in it wouldnt know the difference. i reckon if we got 3 asian spots it should be 1st and 2nd in the league as well as the cup winner

I dont see the point in dropping it. There are not enough games as it is. It also brings in good money, and exposure for the game. I cant see it ever leaving the australian game, and personally am not unhappy with that.

Finals football is exciting, like cup football is. I dont think it will be dinimished by the cup competition.
 

skilbeck

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i reckon finals football takes away from the importance of both the league and the cup and the way to rectify the lost amount of games from a final series would be to have the same format as the SPL and have the top 4 play each other in another round robin and declare the league winners after this
 

Jesus

Jesus
That round robin just basically makes a finals competition. Wouldnt it just have the same effect?

Certainly the finals diminishes the effect of winning the league. But that effect will only diminish in future years. Personally I like the range. I dont think that removing an australian tradition, to increase the value of a foreign tradition, when it is not essential, is really necessary.

Australians love finals, or they would not have them in every sport. They bring extra attention. Extra money. Extra fans. Extra coverage.
 

skilbeck

Well-Known Member
i reckon the round robin or final series though could be a temporary measure to increase the number of games in the season. as the competition expands to 10 and then 12 teams it might be then possible to eliminate that all together
 

Newieutd

Well-Known Member
IMO, It should entail any registered club that wants to play.

If a team from Greta-Branxton make it past all other clubs from their region (hunter valley in this example) then why not allow them to play against a-league clubs. Except the beer at half-time might not be allowed

It should start regionally i.e. playoff until there is 1-2 from each region then join state league teams then winners from that play with a-league teams.

All this pre a-league games could be played in the a-league off-season due to normal football season being different to the a-league.
 

FFC Mariner

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Agreed, follow the English model of qualifying rounds (there are 4) which are regional(ish) and based on the Pyramid.

With 8 HAL teams, you would be looking at a 1st round proper of (say) 16 teams being the HAL sides and 8 qualifiers.

If you had 4 qual rounds, you would have an initial entry of 128 sides which reduce  to 8 before playing the HAL sides.

Imagine Lowy FC having to go away to Marconi (at Parra say) and finding themselves out numbered in the stands and the whole "magic" of the cup thing happening.

As to timing, qualifying rounds during the winter and replace the PSC with the new comp.

Love it
 

skilbeck

Well-Known Member
nah I reckon the knockout comp will be at the state league until the end of the a league season and then the a league teams will join the knockout. As for the preseason cup, that will stay but I reckon it should be called the A-League Cup instead of the Preseason Cup and be the equivalent of the Carling Cup. Also will there be plans to introduce a Super Cup?
 

Jesus

Jesus
Having the a-league teams come in pre-season would diminish the value of the cup. The cup should culmanate some stage during the a-league season. Hell, the a-league has the x-mas break. How about having the cup final then? Boxing day? Weekend before xmas? Would be a huge crowd IMO. Only match on during the weekend. Would be great.

But playing pre-season for a-league clubs would diminish the quality of football on show.
 

Jesus

Jesus
skilbeck said:
nah I reckon the knockout comp will be at the state league until the end of the a league season and then the a league teams will join the knockout. As for the preseason cup, that will stay but I reckon it should be called the A-League Cup instead of the Preseason Cup and be the equivalent of the Carling Cup. Also will there be plans to introduce a Super Cup?

Super cup could work great if the ACL takes the winning teams for the year. Would allow 2 big cup matches before the ACL starts to keep the teams in top shape.

This years super cup otherwise would be 5th vs 6th. Nothing super about that.

But league champions vs cup champions! Or cup champions vs final champion Or final champion vs league champion would be gold.
 

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