Excuses

[BaysideMariner]

Winners find a way to win.
We seem to find a way to make an excuse.

How often in the last few years have you or I justified that we lost for a reason? Yes we lose on the odd occasion but watching tonight I am concerned that we have changed coaches yet we are still showing the same traits.

I want, like you to see us change the current culture.

 

[Gratis]

i understand feeling angry but it's early days for this

 

[VicMariner]

I think Okon is worth sticking with for this season.

But we are a bit broken....

And the buck stops with MC....

 

[scottmac]

Meh

 

[Big Al]

PO has some growing to do but i also think we value the cup more than PO.

If he played DDS and he got hurt but we won, would we have been happy that he played him?

That said our bench players should still be better than Blacktowns.

PO is still a rookie had has some in game experience to learn. Subs and systems etc.

We do need to change things like clocking off or not marking a player when webjust sit in a zone when the opponent is on the break. There is no better structure than mark the man.

Lets see how the season starts but people were overly positive to early

 

[dibo]

Shit thread.

One swallow doesn't make a summer, one loss doesn't tell you much either.

 

[Gratis]

Let's be honest we've seen so little of the new team (and not even the whole team) that everyone is mostly guessing about the future coloured by their own feelings of pessimism or optimism.

Is a glass with water up to the halfway mark half empty or half full?
It's half full of water AND half full of air - so it's completely full.
But,
Matter is mostly empty space - your whole body compressed to remove all the empty space is about the size of a pinhead.
So the glass is empty.
But,
Empty space, even in a total vacuum, has a LOT of energy. 1 cubic metre of empty space contains as much energy as the entire sun outputs in a whole day.
So empty space is FULL of energy - the glass is full.
But,
There are zero ducks in the glass - it's empty of ducks.

I propose a wait and see approach without too much stressing out at this point. Signs are promising with the quality of players coming in so let's just wait and see.

 

[Wombat]

Have you been nibbling TB's cookies Gratis??? Head on over to the music thread buddy.

I think this thread is silly but im sure it was posted in anger and shock after an embarrassing loss.

 

[Capn Gus Bloodbeard]

I think some people are overreacting - and to be honest, despite the loss, I think there was a lot different from last season.
I loved the way we remained calm and worked their defence and the possession after our first goal - heck, had we played like that all game they wouldn't have had a chance. Leadership on the field...well, our 2nd half sucked in terms of structure - played way too desperate. Mainly attack I'm referring to. Even that last 10 minutes - just desperation, we hadn't been probing the defence for holes so when we needed to lift the intensity there was nothing we could do with it.
Tom excited me, Hoole looks like he's going to be able to do things up front nobody could do last year, even Appiah was holding up the ball as well as those two which left me thinking there's a lot of positive signs in terms of control and creativity in the attacking third - which we desperately lacked last season.
For the most part our defence (mids and backs) were better.

I was disappointed at our lack of physicality in this game.

Okon is still experimenting with the squad - especially as this wasn't our entire team, and even what we had didn't have much chance to play together.

Keeping was disappointing - but we have 3 keepers competing for a spot.

Like others, I felt that Okon's sub was probably the single most concerning part of the match!!

I just think that our team has had too significant a rebuild and not had enough time together. And no, that's not an excuse. It's a genuine issue.

Some of our older players simply weren't up to the standard - but we've all assumed that every player is going to have to prove themselves throughout the season. And that could also help increase our depth.

Yes, it's disappointing, but we are in a very different place to last season - and despite everything, we at least scored 2 goals then lost.

And honestly, anybody who is as distraught as Bayside Mariner really, really needs to watch the WSW - WP replay.

Because nothing I've seen this week indicates that we're going to be on the bottom of the table. We played much, much better than either of those 2 teams - either of those would have killed to have Pain on the field!!

 

[Luca Brasi]

FFA cup = glorified pre season game

 

[Insertnamehere]

FFA cup = glorified pre season game

That's why we lost it was treated as such.
It's a trophy with prize money.
It will never have prestige if HAL teams keep looking at it that way

 

[Ancient Mariner]

There is a difference between excuses and reasons.

Excuses tend to be explaining results caused by things beyond one's control. Reasons are a start to addressing problems.

Most of what i have seen posted on this forum have been reasons.

Time to identify the problems and move forward.

 

[Tevor]

That's why we lost it was treated as such.
It's a trophy with prize money.
It will never have prestige if HAL teams keep looking at it that way

Simple fact is HAL teams are at a disadvantage in the round if 32 because it is so early in the pre season for them but that doesn't make it a waste of time it makes the games against the NPL teams more interesting. Perth should have gone down by 3 or 4 goals both WSW and the Nux would have been beaten by BLC. Heads up that we gave them a good run.

One positive is next year if we draw a non HAL team again in the round of 32 we will get a TV spot. For me I just enjoyed seeing some of the new players and how they went and Tom is my favourite already but haven't seen all the newbies yet.

 

[style_cafe]

Let's be honest we've seen so little of the new team (and not even the whole team) that everyone is mostly guessing about the future coloured by their own feelings of pessimism or optimism.

Is a glass with water up to the halfway mark half empty or half full?
It's half full of water AND half full of air - so it's completely full.
But,
Matter is mostly empty space - your whole body compressed to remove all the empty space is about the size of a pinhead.
So the glass is empty.
But,
Empty space, even in a total vacuum, has a LOT of energy. 1 cubic metre of empty space contains as much energy as the entire sun outputs in a whole day.
So empty space is FULL of energy - the glass is full.
But,
There are zero ducks in the glass - it's empty of ducks.

I propose a wait and see approach without too much stressing out at this point. Signs are promising with the quality of players coming in so let's just wait and see.

Are you part of the Monty Python team?

 

[Gratis]

Only in spirit

 

[true believer]

FFA cup = glorified pre season game

abso-f'kn-lutely

 

[bikinigirl]

abso-f'kn-lutely

. i'd really like us to win the Cup ... often - as it realistically our best chance of consistent silverware

. and another big problem with the 'glorified pre-season game' philosophy ... is that now our pre-season will consist of less glorified pre-season matches

 

[bikinigirl]

There is a difference between excuses and reasons.

Excuses tend to be explaining results caused by things beyond one's control. Reasons are a start to addressing problems.

Most of what i have seen posted on this forum have been reasons.

Time to identify the problems and move forward.

. i agree there is a difference between excuses and reasons - but i think my take on it is a bit different when it comes to a loss - with reasons being legitimate excuses ... and excuses being an attempt to hide our own inadequacies

. a reason would be ... we had six legitimate goals called back, yet they scored from a dodgy penalty

. excuses are things like the pitch, the preparation, the squad we chose, the subs we made or didn't make, and individual things in a matches where we should be better, etc

. on the whole the game was a good match-up and should have been good for the neutral observer or Blacktown fan ... but i was pretty gutted, which is partially due to the expectations this squad now has on them to perform (a contrast to the general pessimism of recent seasons)

 

[true believer]

. i'd really like us to win the Cup ... often - as it realistically our best chance of consistent silverware

. and another big problem with the 'glorified pre-season game' philosophy ... is that now our pre-season will consist of less glorified pre-season matches

You might as well get use to it .
Any team that draws the top vic or nsw teams , first up . will struggle to win .
Let alone team with 2 out of 7 of last seasons defensive contingent .
Semi finals ain't played in august

 

[scottmac]

You might as well get use to it .
Any team that draws the top vic or nsw teams , first up . will struggle to win .
Let alone team with 2 out of 7 of last seasons defensive contingent .
Semi finals ain't played in august

There not semi finals though. Its round of 32. Maybe the aleague teams if they lose should forfeit their place in the round of 32 and be forced to qualify