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Then outside of the cap there are 2 marquee players and one designated player (slight technical diiference but means 3 players you can spend how you like). Then there are a heap of salary cap concessions such as home grown players, loyalty players, mature age rookies all who can have a % of their salary outside the cap. Finally there are scholarship players that clubs can now have up to 16 players on contract that sits outside the salary cap as well.
Basically saying, here's the cap, then here's the long list of ways to get around it... seems to be that many, may as well say limit the foreigners to 3 then spend what you want...
 

FFC Mariner

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Salary cap for the up coming season had been incrased by a bit over 10% - its a little tricky as last season was covid affected.
The rules for the salary cap would be bigger than all the commentary on this forum combined. But the basic principle is that there is a basic cap for the majority of the playing squad with a minimum of 18 players that need to be applied to the salary cap. Then outside of the cap there are 2 marquee players and one designated player (slight technical diiference but means 3 players you can spend how you like). Then there are a heap of salary cap concessions such as home grown players, loyalty players, mature age rookies all who can have a % of their salary outside the cap. Finally there are scholarship players that clubs can now have up to 16 players on contract that sits outside the salary cap as well.

The APL has an internal resource to manage the salary cap compliance and this is audited by independant auditors. I'm not sure who the external auditors are.

Penalties for breaches are primarily fines unless systematic compliance issues are found which can result in any number of sanctions, primarily points deductions and specific compliance orders than can be placed on the club from the league.

Whilst Newcastle is being owned by Chairman of other clubs the structure is that they have an Executive Chairman in place who is independant - I am unsure of what that means for the voting structure of APFCA but from what I've seen so far there has been very little to vote on as the majority is in general agreement across the Chairman to date. Any votes the Chairman have in regards to the the congress is a collective anyway so Newcastle structure doesnt have an impact here that I can see.

I hope this answers some questions for you?
If there was ever a compelling argument for dumping the cap completely, this is it.

Rich clubs are able to spend far more than the poor clubs (us) which completely defeats the purpose of a capped league. Football is about the rich dominating the poor, alweays has been always will be so just let it rip and scrap the cap
 

turbo

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If there was ever a compelling argument for dumping the cap completely, this is it.

Rich clubs are able to spend far more than the poor clubs (us) which completely defeats the purpose of a capped league. Football is about the rich dominating the poor, alweays has been always will be so just let it rip and scrap the cap
The cap has been that way for years, but last year with the cap reduced was one of the most competitive in years if not ever. Coincidence?
 

turbo

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I think that was Covid TBH
Covid caused the situation that let Foxtel drop the $ which led to the cap reduction so yeah it was responsible but that doesn’t change anything.

It also made it more difficult to sign foreign players through many still did or were already here and that is a factor too.
 

Kripple

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Thanks for the update Shaun but doesn't answer what is the actual cap and is their a minimum spend (85 %) and if there is, is that what you are operating on.
I take it that no response confirms that we are operating on the minimum spend again. We therefore have to hope that we have as good a run with injuries as last year, that Monty can coach as well as Staj and that we find 4/5 NPL signings who can step up to fill the gaps left by losing 4 starters and 5 of our bench players. Replaced so far by two starters.
 

priorpeter

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I take it that no response confirms that we are operating on the minimum spend again. We therefore have to hope that we have as good a run with injuries as last year, that Monty can coach as well as Staj and that we find 4/5 NPL signings who can step up to fill the gaps left by losing 4 starters and 5 of our bench players. Replaced so far by two starters.

Shaun’s always been very open and transparent with anything asked of him, including our spend - in fairness, I’d suggest that no response would simply be down to the fact that he hasn’t logged on here for the last 7 days more than anything else.
 

midfielder

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Shaun

Can you update the following if possible.

  1. Gosford Stadium Update,
  2. Expansion at COE, land purchase 5 blocks, new motel, new fields etc,
  3. Is the club still for sale and are there any interested buyers,
  4. New signing will they be say;- from Overseas, Other A-League clubs, State leagues, Mariners Academy,
  5. Our budget size,
  6. With Reece, Kuol & Gianni sold will there be much in fees to the Mariners to help with player wages this year.
Cheers

Middy
 

Shaun Mielekamp

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Thanks for the update Shaun but doesn't answer what is the actual cap and is their a minimum spend (85 %) and if there is, is that what you are operating on.
Hey Kripple, apologies I have been flat out and havent had time to jump back on to see this. The floor is 90% of the cap, we are going to land somewhere between the floor and the cap. The actual cap to my knowledge hasn't been confirmed publicly yet - but should be somehwere between $2245000 and $2255000 - not sure it is my place to say publicly on behalf of the league ;)
 

Shaun Mielekamp

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Shaun

Can you update the following if possible.

  1. Gosford Stadium Update,
  2. Expansion at COE, land purchase 5 blocks, new motel, new fields etc,
  3. Is the club still for sale and are there any interested buyers,
  4. New signing will they be say;- from Overseas, Other A-League clubs, State leagues, Mariners Academy,
  5. Our budget size,
  6. With Reece, Kuol & Gianni sold will there be much in fees to the Mariners to help with player wages this year.
Cheers

Middy
Hi Midfielder
Unfortunately I cannot comment on the stadium as there is a tender process underway that restricts any commentary.
The COE has been able to ourchase some surrounding lands that are not for development but add value to the site. The hotel is due for DA submission in the next few weeks
The club is always for sale, there are always interested parties but never firm offers - i do not predict that there will be any movement here in the near future until the stadiums future is clear.
New signing are on the way - yes overseas.
Our budget size is 18 players on the roster and we will end up between the floor and the cap with Scholarship players
The players sales are great and always helpful, hopefully when covid lifts we will be able to showcase some of the upgrades made to the training grounds at the COE as well.

I hope this all helps
 

midfielder

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Hi Midfielder
Unfortunately I cannot comment on the stadium as there is a tender process underway that restricts any commentary.
The COE has been able to ourchase some surrounding lands that are not for development but add value to the site. The hotel is due for DA submission in the next few weeks
The club is always for sale, there are always interested parties but never firm offers - i do not predict that there will be any movement here in the near future until the stadiums future is clear.
New signing are on the way - yes overseas.
Our budget size is 18 players on the roster and we will end up between the floor and the cap with Scholarship players
The players sales are great and always helpful, hopefully when covid lifts we will be able to showcase some of the upgrades made to the training grounds at the COE as well.

I hope this all helps
Thanks Shaun....

Thats encouraging on a number of fronts
 

Kripple

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Hey Kripple, apologies I have been flat out and havent had time to jump back on to see this. The floor is 90% of the cap, we are going to land somewhere between the floor and the cap. The actual cap to my knowledge hasn't been confirmed publicly yet - but should be somehwere between $2245000 and $2255000 - not sure it is my place to say publicly on behalf of the league ;)
Thanks Shaun for clarifying. Appreciate you keeping the fans informed as much as you are able to in these uncertain times.
 

BrisRecky

I'm an idiot savant without the pesky savant bit
gday Shaun,
any word on a Covid bubble situation like the NRL started to protect the running of the season ?
 

Michael

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Hi Midfielder
Unfortunately I cannot comment on the stadium as there is a tender process underway that restricts any commentary.
The COE has been able to ourchase some surrounding lands that are not for development but add value to the site. The hotel is due for DA submission in the next few weeks
The club is always for sale, there are always interested parties but never firm offers - i do not predict that there will be any movement here in the near future until the stadiums future is clear.
New signing are on the way - yes overseas.
Our budget size is 18 players on the roster and we will end up between the floor and the cap with Scholarship players
The players sales are great and always helpful, hopefully when covid lifts we will be able to showcase some of the upgrades made to the training grounds at the COE as well.

I hope this all helps

legend shaun, thanks yet again for the insights and updates. It is never under appreciated.
 
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