"I for one welcome our insect overlords" - The Politics Thread

FFC Mariner

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Given his lack of delivery on election promises, recent disasters with Garrett and slipping in the polls, is it time for Labor to consider its star performer?

Also has talk back offside nationally and the Murdoch press are against him too

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/national/kevin-rudd-says-he-has-to-lift-his-game/story-e6frf7l6-1225835221338
 

kevrenor

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Herald Sun?  :piralaugh:
I like the welsh lass but she's digging herself a political hole with her education policies..
 

midfielder

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I think Kevin 07 will get two terms.. and Julia is to smart to take the job this close to the election..
 

FFC Mariner

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Agree, Labor will get over the line in the next election (albeit with a probalbe reduction in majority).

Can see him getting rolled quite soon afterwards though.
 

dibo

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SMH - Ross Gittins: Rudd pays for avoiding recession
(video embedded in page starts automatically)

March 3, 2010

Years ago a central banker explained to me that, in his bank's efforts to keep the economy from being blown off track, it was never a good thing to be too successful. Really, I said, why not? Because if you're too successful at eliminating evidence that the economy had a problem, it won't be long before people are questioning why you took the steps you did when, clearly, there was never a problem.

That's the position Kevin Rudd finds himself in today. The great achievement of his first term has been to keep the economy from falling into severe recession as most other developed economies have, even New Zealand.

Despite all our fears a year ago, we ended up suffering the shortest and mildest of recessions. The worst of it was that some prominent finance companies collapsed, the economy contracted for just one quarter and the rate of unemployment rose by just under 2 percentage points.

Obviously, Rudd had a lot of help - from the Reserve Bank and the alacrity with which it slashed interest rates, from the good shape of the budget he inherited from the Howard government and from the rapid bounceback by China and our other Asian trading partners.

Even so, it would be churlish and disingenuous not to give Rudd great credit for the size and speed of his stimulus spending and, importantly, for the way he managed business and consumer confidence.

By pumping out money so quickly, he kept the economy from falling into a vicious circle in which slowing spending and rising unemployment frighten households and businesses and cause them to tighten their belts another notch, leading to further cuts in spending and job layoffs, and so round and round.

But disaster has been averted, and many people are convinced there never was a recession, so we have the luxury of looking back on some decisions that were made in the heat of the crisis and questioning their wisdom.

I've lived through enough deep recessions to know how black the public's mood becomes and how bitterly critical people are of the government's failure to avert the recession and do more to end it. This time, because we don't have a recession to worry about, lesser problems fill the vacuum.

It's not against the law to want to have your cake and eat it, and voters do it all the time. Indeed, the politicians have inculcated such magical thinking by the way they keep promising to do wonderful things for us with no mention of the costs involved.

In truth, everything governments do has advantages and disadvantages, benefits and costs. Now we've had the benefit of Rudd's stimulus spending helping to keep the downturn so small, we can complain about its cost.

We can fret about the big budget deficits and the accumulated debt needing to be repaid over the next five or 10 years. All this hangover and we didn't even have a recession.

As we've seen, a big part of the government's success was the speed with which it got money into the economy, which caught it before it began to unravel. Leave it too long before you start spending - as we did in the recession of the early 1990s - and it does far less good.

But getting money out the door quickly comes at a cost. You don't get the leisure to plan carefully how the money will be spent to extract maximum benefit from every dollar. So you don't get much flexibility and, in the end, some proportion of the money is misspent.

With the school building program - which, notwithstanding its obvious political advantages to the Rudd government, was aimed at reducing slack in the building industry and doing so evenly across the nation - schools were given a narrow range of options to pick from, no scope to customise the building and no chance to conduct a more leisurely tender process.

With the home insulation program - which was aimed at creating jobs for less-skilled workers while also creating greater energy efficiency - a huge amount of money was dumped into a small part of the economy on the assumption that existing safety laws and standards, combined with the vigilance of consumers, would be sufficient to guard against shoddy work.

It's likely, in the vast majority of cases - 95 per cent or more? - that work was performed to an acceptable standard. But then human nature - in the form of our greater interest in bad news than good - took over and the tiny minority of bad work, with some of it leading to fires and even deaths, received so much publicity as to leave many people with the impression the whole program was a giant waste of taxpayers' money.

Whenever the second-guessers of talkback radio get involved in evaluating stimulus spending, the goal of preventing the economy's collapse is forgotten and the only criterion is lasting, physical benefit to the community.

But if that was the sole objective, the only spending would be on major infrastructure projects and the effect on employment and the economy generally would come far too late to ease the recession. In Paul Keating's belated One Nation stimulus package of February 1992, one of the projects was the Anzac Bridge. It wasn't completed until December 1995.

Another human quirk we see illustrated in this episode is that sins of commission are punished a lot more heavily than sins of omission. The less you do, the less you'll be criticised. But it's probably truer to say whichever way you jump you'll be criticised.

If all this has made you feel a twinge of sympathy for Rudd, resist it. Had the roles been reversed, he'd be mounting just the same cheap criticisms of a Liberal government.

In any case, incumbency brings a party huge advantages. This is just one of the few disadvantages.

Ross Gittins is Fairfax's economics editor.
 

Jazzie

Sheer joy at beating the scum :)
Personally, I'd like to see a four year election term. Three years is not enough for  the fence sitters. They'll always wobble and give the benefit of the doubt to the sitting government. Another year tacked on and they will be truly pissed off, and a change in parties if the party in power has performed miserably. But then again, look at the NSW Government .... how they are still in power defies logic.
 

FFC Mariner

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Wow Gittins supporting Labor - The Rebecca Wilson of reporting

Who would have expected that?

Krudd is copying his mentor Beattie but doesnt have the balls or the charisma.
 
J

jiggles

Guest
I get to meet Rudd in a few weeks, and my brother asked me to ask him where our broadband is.

I, on the other hand voted for the Shooting and Fishing party...or whatever it's called.
 

curious

New Member
FFC Mariner said:
Agree, Labor will get over the line in the next election (albeit with a probalbe reduction in majority).

Can see him getting rolled quite soon afterwards though.
You start a thread suggesting it might be time for a governing party to consider they'd be better served by changing their leader, the prime Minister, when you agree they are likely to win an upcoming election with that leader. Where's the logic in that suggestion?
Was logic the purpose of the thread, or just a vehicle to Rudd bash and/or draw others (Dibo) into a another circular argument to allow the continuance of Rudd bashing for the sake of Rudd bashing?

I would suggest that you would be well aware the notion of a leadership change at this stage is ridiculous and would not be considered until the Labor party or it's leader were polling towards an election failure.
 

Arabmariner

New Member
curious said:
FFC Mariner said:
Agree, Labor will get over the line in the next election (albeit with a probalbe reduction in majority).

Can see him getting rolled quite soon afterwards though.
You start a thread suggesting it might be time for a governing party to consider they'd be better served by changing their leader, the prime Minister, when you agree they are likely to win an upcoming election with that leader. Where's the logic in that suggestion?
Was logic the purpose of the thread, or just a vehicle to Rudd bash and/or draw others (Dibo) into a another circular argument to allow the continuance of Rudd bashing for the sake of Rudd bashing?

I would suggest that you would be well aware the notion of a leadership change at this stage is ridiculous and would not be considered until the Labor party or it's leader were polling towards an election failure.
:popcorn:
 

FFC Mariner

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No,read it carefully, Labor like all political parties is made up of factions and the gap between Julia and Rudd is hardly a secret.

I would imagine that if Labor power brokers got a sniff that they might be in trouble, they would knife him. All Governments get into trouble, usually of their own making. Sometimes its recoverable, sometimes it isnt.

Interestingly, I note from ACA that the woman who used to work for our Belinda has decided to stand as an independent at the next election to (in her words) "provide an honest alternative". Should make the preselection even more interesting.

For the record curious,I have never voted Liberal in my life. I just find our current PM to be a worry over the long term. There are people of real talent in this government, he sadly, doesnt seem to be one of them.

Would you prefer Abbott? I f**king dont
 

pjennings

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curious said:
I would suggest that you would be well aware the notion of a leadership change at this stage is ridiculous and would not be considered until the Labor party or it's leader were polling towards an election failure.
If you want to see what a bad idea it is please see the NSW Liberal Party. They should have won the last three elections but for changing leaders 12 months out each time. I wonder if Fatty O'Barrell is getting nervous around now?
 

curious

New Member
FFC Mariner said:
No,read it carefully, Labor like all political parties is made up of factions and the gap between Julia and Rudd is hardly a secret.

I would imagine that if Labor power brokers got a sniff that they might be in trouble, they would knife him. All Governments get into trouble, usually of their own making. Sometimes its recoverable, sometimes it isnt.

Interestingly, I note from ACA that the woman who used to work for our Belinda has decided to stand as an independent at the next election to (in her words) "provide an honest alternative". Should make the preselection even more interesting.

For the record curious,I have never voted Liberal in my life. I just find our current PM to be a worry over the long term. There are people of real talent in this government, he sadly, doesnt seem to be one of them.

Would you prefer Abbott? I f**king dont
Rudd has the personality of a mullet that's wearing thinner by the day and will most certainly harm his longevity. I've been waiting for him to improve since the election, with the thought his over used personal package of mono tone 'sincerity' was due to his inexperience and lack of confidence. But he hasn't. I am also a fan of Julia and see her as the leader in the long term, but not yet. She has to get through the can of worms she's opened as education minister, which I believe will bite her in the bum the more the cuts to resources and staffing are highlighted as a result of her school comparisons. If she allows it to be publicly shown, that is.
As yet, it's all been a fresh coat of paint with a website and the wasting of billions on ten inch notebooks used as the brush.

Regardless of whom their leader may be, in recent years the Labor party has leaned so far to the the right they now walk with a limp and if they're not careful, I think the traditional non conservative will be looking more and more elsewhere for an alternative.

BTW, I'd like to be as sure of winning lotto as Turnbull never entering state politics. I'm betting on a further challenge for the libs leadership in the medium term.
 

midfielder

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I have a healthy dis-regard for all parties ... age does that to you ...Saw Julia on Good Morning Australia today with Tony A ... and she speaks much more at the substance of the matter than does Kevin 07 ... different styles I guess...
 

marinermick

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Julia has too much personality to be liked by the majority of the electorate.

Unfortunately these days the populace will vote for someone conservative, uncontroversial and someone of christian faith.

Years of the drawl John Howard and society becoming more conservative has led to this.

Gone are the days of Hawke and Fraser.
 

midfielder

Well-Known Member
marinermick said:
Years of the drawl John Howard and society becoming more conservative has led to this.

Gone are the days of Hawke and Fraser.
Sad both Fraser & Hawke did a lot to remove the influence of church groups ... also who can ever forget ..pants down Fraser in the US ... and the old drunk Hawke when we won the boat race ... on TV slightly pissed in the worst coat ever worn ... and Hawkwe covered in grog ... any boss that docks someone today for turning up late is a bum... (or words to that effect)
 

FFC Mariner

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Maybe we need a socialist alternative that doesnt insist on loving trees etc. I just cant come at voting green to end up with some smelly f**king hippy who wants us to return to a hunter gatherer society and just love each other

LOL
 
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