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CCM Fans and the club PT 2

Ancient Mariner

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yeah...BUT if everyone felt like that...

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FP RANT WARNING:

The refereeing we have suffered was beyond a disgrace and really I can't see how it can fail to turn any Mariners supporter off. When you have so much else against you, very hard for stuff like this not to feel like the last straw. I keep going "despite it". But I'm not f**king happy. And I know too many people who it's crushed. I still think there's value in turning up. But it's a different point.

For a long time my larger fear has been around what's driving our league. What is the "why"? It's certainly not Johnny Warren's why. And it has led to first the inevitable staleness of our product, and then even worse, the overtly plastic nature of the very poorly handled expansion.

If you think you can manufacture attendance and build a league around the constant hype of pretend big clubs in what is still, and always will be, a very small footballing culture, you're sewing in the seeds of your own demise. Hype might work for the opening weekend of a lack lustre block buster. But it won't work for a season long football product or the inevitable ups and downs of any football clubs fortunes.

The "big clubs" have one or two bad season and their crowds are decimated. Why? Because a significant portion of their fans are only loosely associated dabblers looking to enhance their social calendars. They don't come for the love of football. They come because they love feeling like a winner and dominating others.

I'm still a realist. I know all the chimps still love meeting and beating another tribe. But there's a line. If you enjoy watching the Mariners beat the Umina under 13's... There's something wrong with you. And for me this is the peril of prioritising an overtly capitalist goal and the obvious failure in the product that fox had long been driving and creating. The clear market driven bias towards the better funded clubs - because you want better ratings, better sponsors or just greater self importance, makes sense sure... But it sucks balls for everyone who isn't winning. And every year, guess what... we have one winner, a couple of teams who are happy to have done well.. and the rest are all losers. Why should the losers keep coming back? Especially if the referees rip them off. The pundits bash them. Agents exploit them. League owners screw them on scheduling or hosting rights... But these f**king morons have always though it's about the winners. And they gear all their bullshit around it. Even though every year the majority of their core market will be losers.

Football for all of those who really understand it, has always been at it's core an intimate and tribal contest. And if it's a FAIR, and great contest. We can still love it, even when we lose. But if you allow it to be corrupted and geared towards the aforementioned, it should be no surprise when most of your plastic supporters piss off after one or two tough seasons. Because despite what your latest market campaign may have flogged, you were never really "a tribe" you were only a crowd. Just a loose assembly of chimps getting jacked on the wins.

So I understand why the appeal of the NPL is rising, and personally it feels like the Australia cup is a better product right now in terms of it's appeal.

And yet honestly, despite all the bullshit and covid impacted schedules... long term, there really is no insurmountable reason I can see why the refereeing and the teething issues of sub standard broadcasters can't be fixed. So what I value most of all, is survival. And so I turn up. Because I think long term, if we can just hang in there long enough, there's no reason we can trim-tap enough until we have a really decent league.

But yes, I understand why people are f**king furious or boycotting, I understand why people continue supporting, and I think we desperately need to get the soul of the competition right. We need our true "Why". The pundits, the referees, the APL etc... cannot be focused on serving the $$ and therefore by proxy the "bigger clubs". They have to think TRUE big picture. They have to be focused on serving football.

Do that well enough, and you'll take care of everyone, fans, players, clubs etc etc... and attendance and ratings over time will naturally rise again. You can't turn it around with a few words or a hip new commercial.

We need to move with the times. So it's time for transparency, to own all the mistakes (like Evans fiasco), stop the manufacturing and hype, value and respect ourselves enough that we stop serving corporate interests, and invest in grass roots under dogs over cashed up favourites until we make it a truly Australian product at last.

When I see Tassie, Canberra, the Gong and the return of NQF etc... along with a proper Pro rel, then I'll know we're truly on the right track. Till then, when it's Sydney team 3 vs Melbourne team 3 and a bunch of hype and commentator drivel... I'm just going into survival mode hoping we don't get f**ked too hard while I try and have a few laughs with my dad at the game.
Just returned from 10 days in the wilds with no tv or computer and am only now scrolling through what I have been missing.
Great rant FP.
What scares me is that this league is made up of plastic clubs with no historic trial support.
The wonder club that was WSW has shown that much of their "Wandeful" support was made up with those that liked to be winners and soon departed.
With no tribalism the A-League will crash and burn.
It is why it is vital to have regional teams rather than plastic crap like Western United with no heart and no identity.

My fear is that CCM cannot survive in this debacle of what is Australia's premier football competition. It is one of the true tribal clubs supported by the locals with local identity.
There should be only One team in Sydney and one in Melbourne. f**k the population numbers and look for the regional passion if you want extra teams.
 

Man Overboard

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I'm not a wowser, but does anyone else feel uncomfortable with the prevalence of gambling in sport? I dont gamble so I have ignored NEDs promoting itself during the games, but direct emailing of members with the following invitation goes a bit too far? I haven't clicked it because I don't know what happens or where my data will end up. Anyone shed light on it?

Disclaimer: I put ten dollars on a losing Melbourne Cup horse most years and once or twice a year l dump five dollars I don't expect to get back into a poker machine at half time when I went to watch away games at a club :]
 

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turbo

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I'm not a wowser, but does anyone else feel uncomfortable with the prevalence of gambling in sport? I dont gamble so I have ignored NEDs promoting itself during the games, but direct emailing of members with the following invitation goes a bit too far? I haven't clicked it because I don't know what happens or where my data will end up. Anyone shed light on it?

Disclaimer: I put ten dollars on a losing Melbourne Cup horse most years and once or twice a year l dump five dollars I don't expect to get back into a poker machine at half time when I went to watch away games at a club :]
I dont love the gambling stuff but at least it's transparent what it is when you see it. The crypto & particularly NFT stuff can look professional and draw people in with no clue about the nature of it. NFTs are a scam and that money is as dirty if not worse than gambling money because it takes advantage of people who dont know better.
 

marinermick

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I'm not a wowser, but does anyone else feel uncomfortable with the prevalence of gambling in sport? I dont gamble so I have ignored NEDs promoting itself during the games, but direct emailing of members with the following invitation goes a bit too far? I haven't clicked it because I don't know what happens or where my data will end up. Anyone shed light on it?

Disclaimer: I put ten dollars on a losing Melbourne Cup horse most years and once or twice a year l dump five dollars I don't expect to get back into a poker machine at half time when I went to watch away games at a club :]

I signed up after I spun $150 in Bitcoin. Don’t think I will move from my CoinSpot account though.

Lots of people instantly dismiss or belittle what they don’t understand. Any gains I make on crypto I have to declare on my tax. My platform reports to the Australian Government. I am comfortable with what I have in crypto and prepared to lose it all. No different to other investments and the stock market if you ask me.
 
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Big Al

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I'm not a wowser, but does anyone else feel uncomfortable with the prevalence of gambling in sport? I dont gamble so I have ignored NEDs promoting itself during the games, but direct emailing of members with the following invitation goes a bit too far? I haven't clicked it because I don't know what happens or where my data will end up. Anyone shed light on it?

Disclaimer: I put ten dollars on a losing Melbourne Cup horse most years and once or twice a year l dump five dollars I don't expect to get back into a poker machine at half time when I went to watch away games at a club :]
Actually some good money could be made by the club if it knows what to do or gets associated with these types

Was listening to a pod about similar stuff and they were talking about the opportunities in sports and commissions on NFT’s etc.

All the young kids but quite a few older people have strong interest in this area and I think it should be explored by the club.

They need to be careful for sure but it’s more investing than betting. While you can get screwed with both the same principles apply. Don’t bet/invest what you can’t afford to loose.

I would think plenty here would know a bit and I am sure @greenlig could probably go on for hours about how it’s part of his work
 

FFC Mariner

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Be absolutely aware of the dangers that they wont share with you

Operate out of Singapore so you have zero oversight by ASIC or APRA and there is no consumer protection whatsoever.

In short, they are an exchange - they want you to lodge your Crypto assets with them. They make a play of being "registered in Australia" big deal, means nothing

If they ran off with it, you are screwed.

The way these kinds of firms often make their $$ is by a microseconds delay on your trade - you click and while you are waiting fractions of a second for it to complete, they have jumped in ahead of you and shaved a tiny % for themselves. Like a bookie shaving the odds between you giving over your stake and confirming the bet (oh, hang on)

They also pay you "interest" on the assets you hand over to them. Hmmm wonder who they are lending your Coins to? Probably security for their own margin loans to invest in other coins. Guess what happens if those trades go bad? Yup - you are screwed. Opes Prime got done for this in the GFC and its illegal in this country - you cant bet with other peoples money if you are a custodian

@marinermick is right - if you want to hold crypto as an asset, find a local exchange (one bank has theirs in BETA now) COINSPOT are the least disreputable :).

Interestingly, Apple have said they want nothing to do with Crypto and until they get involved via Applepay, the market will remain insignificant.

As ever, if you dont understand, dont do it. Nothing in investing is ever free

Blockchain will transform society - right now its where the internet was around 1990 - we all knew it was a game changer but didnt really forsee how.

Crypto currencies exist in the blockchain and are mostly cons and cowboys. NFT's are simply a ponzi scam.

I'm too wedded to the 2 golden rules of investing formulated by Ben Graham and them Warren Buffet to get involved

1) Dont lose money
2) Never forget rule #1
 
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Insertnamehere

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I'm not a wowser, but does anyone else feel uncomfortable with the prevalence of gambling in sport? I dont gamble so I have ignored NEDs promoting itself during the games, but direct emailing of members with the following invitation goes a bit too far? I haven't clicked it because I don't know what happens or where my data will end up. Anyone shed light on it?

Disclaimer: I put ten dollars on a losing Melbourne Cup horse most years and once or twice a year l dump five dollars I don't expect to get back into a poker machine at half time when I went to watch away games at a club :]
Gambling advertising is a blight and should be banned like ciggies.

NFTs are mostly bullshit. Has heaps of potential but mostly bullshit at this stage.
 

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